Yup, and it also shows that all these claims that the grid can't support 100% EVs are BS.
I've also seen some folks try to claim that we'd need to upgrade all the transformers at houses to support charging EVs, more BS. 90% of the EVs can be charged over night with a 120V outlet (Level-1), that is not a significant load. Any modern house will have 200 Amp service, more than enough to charge TWO evs with Level 2 EVSEs. I've charged an EV at my mom's house and she only has 60 Amp service. December 3, 2020 9:59 AM, "Peri Hartman via EV" <[email protected]> wrote: > If that's really true, that's an incredible statement on how much energy > we're wasting. It says, effectively, that we could power 100% of our > auto usage with the energy only used to *produce* gasoline. Not sure how > much more would be needed for public transportation, short and long haul > freight, but it would make a good dent in that, too. > > Peri > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org >> > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Peter VanDerWal via EV" <[email protected]> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: 03-Dec-20 8:53:23 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] EVs not greener than fossil-fuel vehicles? > >> Last year in the USA, refineries purchased 41,140 MILLION kwhs of >> electricity from the grid. >> Thats enough to power approx 9.6 million electric vehicles for 15,000 miles >> each. >> >> In addition they purchased 940 billion cubic feet of Natural Gas. Thats >> enough to power an >> additional 220 million EVs for 15,000 miles each (if used in NG Power plants) >> >> https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pnp_capfuel_dcu_nus_a.htm >> >> THey also purchase steam which could be used to run turbines and power >> additional EVs. >> >> This doesn't even consider the electricity/energy used to extract the >> petroleum from the ground, >> move the petroleum around or power the gas stations. Plus I've seen adds >> from fossil fuel companies >> that state that we use MORE energy searching for new fossil fuel reserves >> than the get from those >> new reserves. >> >> December 1, 2020 4:37 AM, "paul dove via EV" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Nearly one-half the energy consumed by refineries is obtained from >>> by-product refinery gas and >>> coke, and about one-third is supplied by natural gas. They don’t buy >>> electricity the generate their >>> own. >>> >>> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020, 4:30 AM, Bill Woodcock via EV >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Last time I ran the numbers, every fuel vehicle in the world is being >>> subsidized by more than USD >>> 5000/year in governmental subsidies to the gasoline and diesel industries. >>> >>> There’s a huge amount that you could do with that money. >> >> On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:32 PM, (-Phil-) via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Lawrence is right, Based on my research, just the Electrical energy used >> ALONE for all the processes that culminate with a gallon of gasoline in >> your tank can move an average EV at least 50 miles. Another surprising >> fact: CA's largest industrial user of electricity is petroleum. >> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:09 AM Lawrence Rhodes <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I would think that simply not using a liquid powered vehicle would have >> these benefits and energy gains. Energy loss to: Survey, drill, pump, >> transport, refine(this is a big one) distribute, pump again and then you >> get the energy to use plus the added benefit of poisoning every one >> breathing the atmosphere. The elimination of fossil fuels would free up all >> that energy to use in the electrical grid. So have no fear of running out >> of energy. There will be a reduction of energy use with every new electric >> vehicle. Don't get me started with product packaging and the use of >> plastics. 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