I don't think that LiFePO4 has made any remarkable gains in specific energy.

What LiFePO4 does have is spectacular cycle life. If manufactured with some degree of care, you get 15,000+, 100% SOC, 1C cycles @ 25 Celsius from LiFePO4 without going below 50% of the original capacity. They just keep going and going.... You have to seal the case well enough to keep air and water out, and use paste, separators, etc. that are also reasonably free of water and air on the inside.

Thus, a "million mile" battery has always be possible to make with LiFePO4 cells. You just have to be motivated to use quality cells, and to actually build it. You also need to be motivated to drive the car that many miles. :-)

200 miles per charge, times 15,000 charge cycles = 3,000,000 miles. Even at 5000 cycles, that run-of-the-mill LiFePO4 cells achieve, this gets you a million miles.

Bill D.


On 7/7/2020 7:43 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
While I was looking for other information a couple of days ago, I ran across
something on the web that surprised me.  I didn't follow up at the time and
now I've lost track of where it was, but maybe someone else here knows
something about it.

The post or article I saw claimed that Tesla's supposedly-upcoming much-
discussed "million mile battery" is lithium iron phosphate chemistry.

LiFePO4 was something of an EV holy grail 15-20 years ago.  Valence was
offering their Saphion phosphate-based lithium modules around 2002.  A123
was also an early LiFePO4 booster.  Both claimed long cycle life and
improved safety, and A123s were also known for ferocious specific power.

When the cheap and cheerful Chinese low-power versions from Thundersky,
CALB, and others started to appear in the States, a lot of them went into EV
conversions.  You can find discussions about this in the EVDL archive around
2006-2009.

If memory serves, the main downside to LiFePO4 was specific energy.  It just
wasn't as good as what cobalt and manganese based chemistries offered.

I also seem to recall some kind of patent-related LiFePO4 problem.  This may
have been the reason that hobbyists jumped on the cheap and cheerful Chinese
LiFePO4 cells from Thundersky, CALB, and the like.  Again dredging up from
memory, I think that hose companies somehow (allegedly) made an end run
around the patent and licensing concerns.

Now, if I'm not mistaken, Tesla's development partner in the "million mile
battery" is a Chinese firm.  That's ... uh ... interesting.

So has the EV world rehabilitated lithium iron phosphate's reputation?  Has
its specific energy problem been solved?  What about licensing and patents?

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

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