You are the exception not the rule. The data I have seen says 85% of the people go 35 miles a day. I never claimed everyone only needs 100 miles a day. I was also speaking of personal experience driving an EV.
Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Paul, > 300+ mile range isn't fictional. Or, maybe at least 250 miles. > > Sure, if you rarely go more than, say, 100 miles in a day you can rent > something for the exceptions. > > Using myself as an example, I need a vehicle that can go 200 miles RT for > excursions to the mountains. I go 20-25 times a year which justifies owning a > vehicle rather than renting. Plus, with a 15 hour day, I don't want the > overhead of another hour or two to rent something. Plus, rental companies > generally don't allow driving off paved roads, except for short driveways. > > I think there are many people who have stories, and in all sorts of manners. > I also agree, there are plenty of people who think they need it but don't. > > Peri > > << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? > https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "paul dove via EV" <[email protected]> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> > Cc: "paul dove" <[email protected]> > Sent: 09-Jul-20 4:16:52 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 > >> I would say that is only because people fictionally think they need a 300+ >> mile range. My i-MiEV goes 40 miles now after 8 years 65 miles new and >> rarely will it not go where I need to go. I have a Tesla now and it’s so >> much nicer I drive it most of the time. But before COVID I drive the >> Mitsubishi everyday to work. I love that car and while the range cuts it >> close sometimes I think With 100 mile range I would have Zero issues. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jul 9, 2020, at 4:35 AM, Bill Dube via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> LiFePO4 only has about half the specific energy of metal oxide (like >>> cobalt) cells. >>> >>> Because they are such low impedance (high specific power) you can reduce >>> the weight of the cooling system, (or perhaps eliminate it entirely) but >>> that in not nearly enough weight to make up the difference in an EV >>> application. >>> >>> LiFePO4 is best when you are more interested in high power, or cycle life, >>> or perhaps safety, than in maximum energy content per kg. >>> Cordless tools, starting, start-stop, hybrids, all are great applications. >>> EV's, not so much. >>> >>> Bill D. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 7/10/2020 12:26 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: >>>>> On 9 Jul 2020 at 14:30, Bill Dube via EV wrote: >>>>> >>>>> They altered their focus away from EV batteries and towards other >>>>> markets that made more sense for LiFePO4 technology. >>>> Obviously I'm not in any position to advise them, but I wonder if it might >>>> be time for A123 to review their focus. >>>> >>>> I don't know how dependent they are on the US market, but with the US >>>> seemingly headed for both short and long term economic contraction, they >>>> might do well to look toward western Europe and Southeast Asia for growth. >>>> There the market for EVs and their batteries is ramping up quickly. >>>> >>>> EVs there are (unfortunately IMO) getting larger, with more battery space. >>>> Something of a range race is heating up, too. >>>> >>>> If A123 can solve the energy density problem (I mean in terms of volume, >>>> not >>>> mass), I suspect that they could also grab some of the warranty and spares >>>> market. >>>> >>>> For example, there are quite a few older 2012-2019 Renault Zoes running >>>> round the EU. In most countries save Norway the majority have leased >>>> batteries. Renault's contract says they'll service the batteries if they >>>> fall below 75% capacity. If A123 could supply cells that would yield the >>>> nominal original capacity (22kWh or 42kWh) and be the last service that >>>> that >>>> battery needed, Renault's bean counters might take notice. >>>> >>>> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey >>>> >>>> To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. 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