If they can do 100%, that’s great. To add, I think that the 140 range is only a 
limitation until 2025, when they plan on another yard to allow mid-route 
charging.

Thanks for the link to the other report.

- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> To be clear, Metro intends to support 100% of its routes with EVs. The "70%" 
> refers to how many routes can be served by a bus with 140 miles range. (Most 
> routes are relatively short, I'll *guess* 10 miles urban, 20 miles suburban.)
> 
> Here's a publication on test results, from 2017. (I haven't spent the time to 
> read it.)
> https://afdc.energy.gov/files/u/publication/king_county_be_bus_preliminary.pdf
> 
> Peri
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" <[email protected]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "Mark Abramowitz" <[email protected]>
> Sent: 17-Jun-20 7:54:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid buses instead of electric for PSTA in Pinellas 
> County? Evidence for commissioners.
> 
>> Very interesting, and fairly consistent with my post. They have about 70% of 
>> routes that they think are applicable, though they base that solely on a 140 
>> mile range, rather than their testing results.
>> 
>> It was odd that they didn’t have much info on their testing, and they still 
>> hadn’t completed their cold weather testing.
>> 
>> I think that DOE collects and analyzes data from all the places that test 
>> and/or zero emission technologies.
>> 
>> - Mark
>> 
>> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 7:08 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here's some background info for you, Susan. Seattle (actually Metro of 
>>> King County) is in the process of converting to 100% electric by 2040. They 
>>> have been testing EV buses for a few years and plan the first roll-out in 
>>> 2021. You can get an overview here:
>>> https://kingcounty.gov/depts/transportation/metro/programs-projects/innovation-technology/zero-emission-fleet.aspx
>>> 
>>> And here is a detailed report with lots of data that might be useful to you:
>>> https://kingcounty.gov/~/media/depts/transportation/metro/programs-projects/zero-emissions-fleet/battery-electric-bus-implementation-report.pdf
>>> 
>>> I'm pretty sure Metro has been testing on hills. Our area is full of steep 
>>> hills, narrow lanes, sharp corners, all kinds of route challenges. Plus our 
>>> climate is chilly for a good part of the year, though nothing like what the 
>>> northern plains and east coast gets. But certainly colder than Florida :) 
>>> If it can work for Seattle, I can't imagine an argument against in Florida !
>>> 
>>> If it would help to speak to someone in the program, I might be able to 
>>> find a contact. Not sure, though.

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