Very interesting, and fairly consistent with my post. They have about 70% of 
routes that they think are applicable, though they base that solely on a 140 
mile range, rather than their testing results. 

It was odd that they didn’t have much info on their testing, and they still 
hadn’t completed their cold weather testing.

I think that DOE collects and analyzes data from all the places that test 
and/or zero emission technologies.

- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 7:08 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Here's some background info for you, Susan. Seattle (actually Metro of King 
> County) is in the process of converting to 100% electric by 2040. They have 
> been testing EV buses for a few years and plan the first roll-out in 2021. 
> You can get an overview here:
> https://kingcounty.gov/depts/transportation/metro/programs-projects/innovation-technology/zero-emission-fleet.aspx
> 
> And here is a detailed report with lots of data that might be useful to you:
> https://kingcounty.gov/~/media/depts/transportation/metro/programs-projects/zero-emissions-fleet/battery-electric-bus-implementation-report.pdf
> 
> I'm pretty sure Metro has been testing on hills. Our area is full of steep 
> hills, narrow lanes, sharp corners, all kinds of route challenges. Plus our 
> climate is chilly for a good part of the year, though nothing like what the 
> northern plains and east coast gets. But certainly colder than Florida :) If 
> it can work for Seattle, I can't imagine an argument against in Florida !
> 
> If it would help to speak to someone in the program, I might be able to find 
> a contact. Not sure, though.
> 
> Peri
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" <[email protected]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "Mark Abramowitz" <[email protected]>
> Sent: 16-Jun-20 7:52:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid buses instead of electric for PSTA in Pinellas 
> County? Evidence for commissioners.
> 
>> This is a question that can’t be answered on the basis of the information 
>> given, and will likely vary by agency.
>> 
>> It suitability depends on a number of factors. Climate is one. The route is 
>> a major factor, and whether or not the bus agency is able to or is willing 
>> to change routes. The grades and length of the route is an important factor. 
>> I’ve heard of some agencies that could run 80+ % of their existing routes on 
>> batteries only, others less and others more.
>> 
>> Have a short route on a flat grade? Maybe it is suitable. Or, as happened in 
>> California, try to put a battery electric bus in service in the mountains in 
>> winter - a miserable failure (this was for some school buses).
>> 
>> - Mark
>> 
>> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
>> 

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