I would agree with you if it was purchased... However, FSD was never purchased.
The person who bought it at auction was a dealership. They sold it to a
customer telling them it had FSD. But at the time they gave it to the customer,
FSD had actually been deactivated but they told the customer it was just "a
glitch", showing them the original Monroney sticker
On Monday, February 10, 2020, 9:48:45 AM CST, Peri Hartman via EV
<[email protected]> wrote:
I agree with David's point of view, mostly. If you buy a car, you should
own it to the extent that it will continue to work in the same manner as
when you bought it, of course allowing for eventual wear and tear.
It becomes difficult to exactly say what "work in the same manner"
means, but to converge on its meaning would include all essential
operation of the car as well as any enhancements that were present at
the time of purchase. It would include software updates as long as the
owner is paying for the "service" of providing the updates. However, the
updates themselves become part of the owner's property.
It would not include things like map or music streaming services. Or
real-time server processing of autonomous driving data (I don't know if
there is such a thing right now).
Other companies are being careful - and I presume Tesla is, too - about
not disabling original functionality. For example, Microsoft will sell
you their Office service, which gives you copies of their software on
your computer but also gives you cloud storage and other email hosting,
etc. If you stop paying, you lose all the service aspects plus the
ability to create new documents, but you can still use the software to
open and read documents.
Ultimately we may need legal clarification of what it means to own, or
at least indefinitely own the right to use. Similar to the
right-to-repair issues fomenting right now.
Peri
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Sent: 10-Feb-20 3:59:10 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Remotely Removed Autopilot Features from Used
Model S After 'Audit'
>It’s the exact same thing. His car still drives. Just certain SW features
>don’t work. Cable can shutoff showtime, HBO or whatever else you aren’t paying
>for... I am sure there are comparable examples in the auto world I am just not
>up on features offered with other vehicles
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 10, 2020, at 4:30 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>> On 9 Feb 2020 at 18:12, paul dove via EV wrote:
>>
>>> Cable TV will shut you off in a heat beat if you arenTMt paying for the
>>> service too.
>>
>> I assume you mean HEARTbeat. Cable TV isn't a car. It's not even an
>> antenna. You don't own it. It's strictly a service, to be granted or not
>> at the whim of those providing it.
>>
>> You don't really own a Tesla, either. Tesla is, in effect, offering EV
>> transportation as a service, but charging you as if you owned its cars.
>>
>> It's great that you love "your" Tesla unreservedly. You can keep it -- as
>> long as they allow you to.
>>
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