Re: [EVDL] Leaf 2use in VT: buying a used EV ...

Thu, 22 Aug 2019 07:24:31 -0700
For the LEAF, some folk's experiences as early adopters in 2011/12 was not satisfactory, primarily due to battery life, as Willie periodically reminds us. 


However from my experience and others here I would say that from 
mid-2013 forward the LEAF has been much improved in multiple aspects 
including battery life.



For any EV, know your range needs and check the battery condition before 
you buy. When you find an EV that covers your use case, you will enjoy a 
much better overall experience than huffing along in a gas burner.


Cheers,
 -Jamie

On 8/22/19 7:53 AM, Willie via EV wrote:



On 8/22/19 8:41 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:

EV range is very very user specific.  You buy an EV that meets your daily
range.  Done.


So please keep your denigrating comments to your specific case, and do 
not

use generalized negativisim which others may take out of context.  "very

limited life and market".  For example would be "has very limited life 
and

market for my driving needs".


For example, my son's commute is only 8 miles a day.  He can use 
almost free

used EV's when others have moved on..



I agree that a car that does not meet the needs and expectations of one 
person may well meet the needs and expectations of another.



A car's reputation is made from the sum of buyers experiences.  Glenn 
has properly presented his experience and should not be castigated for 
presenting.  That is, I object to you attempting to suppress honest and 
truthful statements.



My experience with a new 2011 Leaf is much the same that Glenn relates. 
I will never buy another Nissan and will never encourage anyone to buy one.


.


Thanks, Bob


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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf 2use in VT: buying a used EV ...

I have been looking at 2nd hand leaf’s but find the battery degradation
severely limits the use of these vehicles.

Some progress appears to be on the horizon for installing additional

capacity to restore and or improve range. But not commercially 
available yet

and potential issues around insurance, liabilities etc yet to be clearly
defined.

In Australia this appears to make these vehicles impractical and thus
valueless!


I do a 55km commute daily so would like a 80% charged range of > 80km 
to be
useful. Then there is the issue of continued battery degradation and 
further

reduction of range into the future.

So the leaf appears to me to have a very limited life and market. Pity as
the cars are on the market for reasonable prices now, assuming you can
accept the range limitations.


On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 09:13, Seth Rothenberg via EV <[email protected]>
wrote:


I second much of the advice shared here already, and I would add one
thing.


On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 8:52 PM brucedp5 via EV <[email protected]> 
wrote:



I would not waste time on ay leaf that is older than 2014. That is
the model year offering onboard 6kW chargers and had worked out most
of the charger bugs.



I have a 2013 Nissan Leaf S, 24KWh battery, theoretical range 84 miles.
I bought this car 200 miles from home on a day that was 18 degrees F.
Let's just say it's good I had plenty of time and a really good friend
to take turns with.

In the 2016 model year, two additional options became available -
Heat pump instead of resistive heat and
30 KWh battery  (Not on all models in 2016).

It would be worth studying if these options are available
in your area, as I have been told they make a big difference in range.

If you buy a Leaf, one or more of the groups can share
more tips, like using seat warmers to warm people
conductively instead of the high cost of physically moving
air through the heating system.

Good luck, please let us know :-)
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