First, the CO2 produced by transportation is about 30%, not 14%, so it is a very significant factor.
2nd, a 200+ mile vehicle should be fully sufficient as your only car. For 98-99% of all your trips, the EV is more convenient, as you can wake up every morning with a fully charged car with virtually no effort. And for a 500 mile trip the difference is this: in a gas car, most people would normally make at least TWO 30 minute stops for food, or bathroom, or gas, or rest. For the 200+ mile EV, you would make THREE such stops, combining 30 minute charging (to 80% full) with food/bathroom/rest. So for 1-2% of your trips, the EV would be somewhat less convenient, but for 98-99% the EV would be more convenient. And 98-99% is better than 1-2%. On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > The need for zero emission vehicles has been around for significantly > longer than efforts to reduce CO2 emissions. > For many parts of the country (and world), local levels of air pollution > have tremendous impacts on human health and the environment. > If you believe that we can solve the CO2 problem by eliminating coal, and > you think that it can be done in a reasonable amount of time, there still > remains a urgent need for zero and near-zero emitting vehicles. > > - Mark > Sent from AltaMail > > > From: dovepa via EV <[email protected]> To: Peri Hartman via EV < > [email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Prof. Clare Grey defending > her LiO2 (fluffy carbon) battery paper Date: 5/13/16, 6:49 PM > > > > I don't see a need to eliminate the internal combustion engine. Most of > the CO2 comes from burning coal. According to the EPA only 14% comes from > transportation. All forms of transportation together road, rail, air and > marine. > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > -------- Original message --------From: Peri Hartman via EV < > [email protected]> Date: 5/13/16 4:13 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Mike Beem < > [email protected]>, EVDL Administrator <[email protected]>, Electric > Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: > Prof. Clare Grey defending her LiO2 (fluffy > carbon) battery paper > The range problem definitely does exist. How are you going to get rid > of ICE vehicles for long range travel if you can only go 100 miles or so > per charge? Even 200 miles. > > This has nothing to do with the vehicle you might use for everyday > commuting and errands. Yes, 100 miles is almost always plenty for that. > And, yes, you can rent something if you want to go long range. > > But we're talking about getting ICE vehicles off the road. That long > range vehicle needs to go 300-400 miles on a charge to be practical. > Some have to be built and there needs to be high wattage charging > stations along the interstates and major highways. And, another factor, > if only a small percentage are built, economy of scale won't work and > they will be quite expensive. > > Peri > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Mike Beem via EV" <[email protected]> > To: "EVDL Administrator" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion > List" <[email protected]> > Sent: 13-May-16 2:06:31 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Prof. Clare Grey defending her LiO2 (fluffy > carbon) battery paper > > >> They are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. > > > >>Most of us on the EVDL have been saying this for years -- that 100 > >>miles of > >range is plenty for almost anyone. > > > >Well stated, both of you! I definitely am ready for that 100 mile > >range, > >having over the years never had more than my current 40 mile range > >pack. > >However, it still does carry me for more than 95% of the miles I drive > >most > >months. I do have a 3/4 ton diesel pick up truck for pulling my dump > >trailer, and hauling any any loads too heavy, large or messy for the EV > >Escort, but with its roof rack I have carried ladders, lumber etc. for > >much > >of what I do; and the truck generally gets driven less than 500 mile > >per > >year, so its contribution to ICE pollution is as minimal as I can make > >it. > >Having now sold off or given away all of my remaining EV projects, I > >know > >that I am probably driving my last home made EV, but it still has 5 1/2 > >years to go to finish my experiment=can I drive a conversion EV on one > >lithium pack with a total investment of $10000 for 10 years? (not > >including > >tires or brakes). > >Time will tell, but so far, I have seen no degradation in range or > >power. > >Michael B > > > >On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:45 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV < > >[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On 13 May 2016 at 6:31, dovepa via EV wrote: > >> > >> > They are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. > >> > >> Most of us on the EVDL have been saying this for years -- that 100 > >>miles of > >> range is plenty for almost anyone. > >> > >> It's true, but outside of EV hobbyists, hardly anyone believes it. > >>The > >> public perception is that they need range close to what they get on a > >> tankful of gasoline now. > >> > >> We know that "range anxiety" is a myth. But "journalists" keep > >>hammering > >> at > >> it, and the public buys it. So to them, it's real. > >> > >> We can educate these folks until we drop from exhaustion and it won't > >> change > >> more than a couple of their minds. We can even have them track > >>their > >> weekly mileage. It makes no difference. > >> > >> Vehicle buyers demand long range, just in case they ever need it. > >>It's the > >> same attitude that makes people buy huge pickup trucks and drive > >>their > >> clunky, awkward 18-mpg beasts year in and year out, even if they only > >>haul > >> something big once a year (or less). > >> > >> Perception is reality. It doesn't pay to fight it. What does pay is > >> asking > >> people who actually buy vehicles what they need, listening to them, > >>and > >> then > >> building and offering for sale an EV that meets those perceived > >> requirements > >> and needs, whether they're real needs or not. > >> > >> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > >> EVDL Administrator > >> > >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >> EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >> Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > >> reach me. 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