I think that this is similar to what was done, or at least anticipated with BEVs in the early 1900's.
I've always liked the idea. I know it's been looked at in more recent years, but the actual reasons for no one implementing such a scheme has, to me, been lost in the noise. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 1, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Ed Blackmond via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > People with ICE vehicles finance their fuel purchases separately from the > vehicle. The same could be done for electric vehicle battery packs. > > There is a good business model here for leasing battery packs separately from > the vehicle. A pack would be leased originally with a guaranteed capacity of > X. When it could no longer support that capacity, it could be leased to > another customer with a capacity of Y (where Y is some fraction of X). > Presumably the lease rate for a Y pack would be less than the rate for an X > pack. A customer who paid for an X pack would always have a pack with at > least that capacity. It is up to the leasing company to guarantee this. > > When a pack is no longer capable of supporting vehicle applications, it can > be leased for stationary applications such as grid stability, or peak load > shaving. When it is no longer suitable for stationary applications, it can be > recycled into a new pack. > > Ed > >> On Mar 1, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I don't think it has to do with the number of individual components >> (cells in this case) or else the internal combustion engine would have >> lost to the electric motor a very long time ago. >> I think the problem is more with the upfront cost - it would be similar >> to having to pay for almost all the fuel that your ICEV would be >> consuming in the 8 or 10 years following, at the moment of vehicle >> purchase. >> So, we probably need a similar thing as cellphone companies do: either >> you buy the phone upfront and you are free to go whomever you want, or >> you buy a subsidized phone with a plan, but then you select a provider >> that has good coverage in your area. >> Meaning that you would buy an EV with a subsidy by the Charger Provider, >> but you are required to install a charger from that provider in your >> home and fill up (at home and on the go) at a charger from that >> provider, unless you want to pay "roaming charges" to fill up at an EVSE >> from a different provider. >> >> And then there is the pay-as-you-go option where you would still own the >> car (it is not a shared car which is another option) but only pay when >> you are actually using it. >> I am sure that there have already been people that have done the math on >> business plans for these options, but this would shave off the threshold >> for entrance into an EV compared to an ICEV. >> I do not know if the business plans would work out though. >> >> Cor van de Water >> Chief Scientist >> Proxim Wireless >> >> office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water >> XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info >> >> http://www.proxim.com >> >> This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and >> proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. 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I'm talking about an EV that costs what an ICE Toyota >> >> Yaris or Honda Fit costs, or less, and presents the same creature >> comforts, >> with a range of at least 200 miles. >> >> We know that 100 mile range is plenty. A few people will accept that, >> and a >> few will pay a premium over the cost of an equivalent ICEV. Most won't. >> >> That's why used Leafs are so unsettlingly cheap - it's supply and >> demand. >> >> IMO, EVs won't become truly mainstream until they cost not just the same >> as, >> but LESS than equivalent ICEVs. I actually hope I'm proven wrong, but >> from >> here I don't see that happening with an EV battery containing thousands >> of >> tiny cells. >> >> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA >> EVDL Administrator >> >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not >> reach me. 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