On 6/25/2014 2:04 PM, Dennis Miles wrote:
Sorry, that is "Hazardous Material Handling" protocol.
*Dennis Lee Miles *
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Dennis Miles <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The difficulty in using Ammonia is, the ammonia used is "Anhydrous
Ammonia 100% and that is deadly poison at only a few percent when
breathed. Household ammonia is less than 5% concentration in water
and not useable in the process. Forget It !! I don't want to
certainly die by poisoning in a minor collision.
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protocol calls for an evacuation of 3 mile radius in the event of
an Anhydrous ammonia spill...
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On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Geoff Pullinger via EV
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 6/25/2014 9:36 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
Generally, Hydrogen for transportation (no infrastructure)
makes little
sense compared to EV's (everyone has an outlet in their
garage). The
business model for hydrogen cars is very weak (though it
is needed for
trucks and road warriors).
BUT!
There is a future for hydrogen in utility scale
applications for the
eventual Bazgigawatts of periodic solar and wind excess
into electrolysis
of water to hydrogen. Think of it as energy storage (the
holy grail of
renewables).
But then creating a HUGE infrastructure from zero to
distribute this
hydrogen source in tiny little buckets to burn everywhere
in tiny amounts
in millions of cars makes no sense, when the utilities can
far, far more
easily burn it right there at their plants to provide a
continuum of
electricity at night and/or low wind.
Another way to look at it is to have the utilities burn
the excess hydrogen
to make electricity and use the grid to distribute that
electricity to
EV's. That is a far easier way to distribute "hydrogen
stored energy"
since EV's and the grid distribution already exist everywhere.
Of course, there will always be a market for SOME hydrogen
fueled cars and
trucks that must do long trips or continuous road travel.
No question.
But that is something like only 10% or our transportation
energy... and easy
to implement along the interstates...
P.S. There is another thing I just became aware of.
Other countries
versus the US with respect to Energy Storage.. Not
everything is equal.
Germany has a different perspective on storage (hydrogen)
for many
reasons... they have no natural gas like we do. They
cannot use natural
gas plants to make-up solar/wind shortages. Where we view
"storage" as a
short-term (max 12 hour overnight) need, they view storage
as a long-term
requirement and not just for backup electricity, but for
weeks or months...
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2014/06/energy-storage-a-different-view-from-germany?cmpid=SolarNL-Tuesday-June24-2014
Just some thoughts.
Bob, WB4aPR
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I saw an article last week about a couple of scientists who
thought hydrogen could be transported much more easily as
ammonia (NH3). They have suposedly discovered a method to
convert ammonia to hydrogen with out using catalysts and with
good efficiency. I can not find the article now but sounded
like a game changer - if true.
Geoff Pullinger
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I seem to remember that ammonia is very toxic - which is why I thought
that this scheme had some flaw in it.
--
Geoff Pullinger
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