I've heard of this many times, but personally I've real concerns about the use of ammonia.
Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 25, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Geoff Pullinger via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On 6/25/2014 9:36 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> Generally, Hydrogen for transportation (no infrastructure) makes little >> sense compared to EV’s (everyone has an outlet in their garage). The >> business model for hydrogen cars is very weak (though it is needed for >> trucks and road warriors). >> >> >> >> BUT! >> >> >> >> There is a future for hydrogen in utility scale applications for the >> eventual Bazgigawatts of periodic solar and wind excess into electrolysis >> of water to hydrogen. Think of it as energy storage (the holy grail of >> renewables). >> >> >> >> But then creating a HUGE infrastructure from zero to distribute this >> hydrogen source in tiny little buckets to burn everywhere in tiny amounts >> in millions of cars makes no sense, when the utilities can far, far more >> easily burn it right there at their plants to provide a continuum of >> electricity at night and/or low wind. >> >> >> >> Another way to look at it is to have the utilities burn the excess hydrogen >> to make electricity and use the grid to distribute that electricity to >> EV’s. That is a far easier way to distribute “hydrogen stored energy” >> since EV’s and the grid distribution already exist everywhere. >> >> >> >> Of course, there will always be a market for SOME hydrogen fueled cars and >> trucks that must do long trips or continuous road travel. No question. >> But that is something like only 10% or our transportation energy… and easy >> to implement along the interstates… >> >> >> >> P.S. There is another thing I just became aware of. Other countries >> versus the US with respect to Energy Storage.. Not everything is equal. >> Germany has a different perspective on storage (hydrogen) for many >> reasons… they have no natural gas like we do. They cannot use natural >> gas plants to make-up solar/wind shortages. Where we view “storage” as a >> short-term (max 12 hour overnight) need, they view storage as a long-term >> requirement and not just for backup electricity, but for weeks or months… >> >> >> >> http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2014/06/energy-storage-a-different-view-from-germany?cmpid=SolarNL-Tuesday-June24-2014 >> >> >> >> Just some thoughts. >> >> Bob, WB4aPR >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140625/c518d803/attachment.htm> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > I saw an article last week about a couple of scientists who thought hydrogen > could be transported much more easily as ammonia (NH3). They have suposedly > discovered a method to convert ammonia to hydrogen with out using catalysts > and with good efficiency. I can not find the article now but sounded like a > game changer - if true. > > Geoff Pullinger > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140625/84d1afe0/attachment.htm> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
