Sorry, that is "Hazardous Material Handling" protocol. *Dennis Lee Miles *
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Dennis Miles <[email protected]> wrote: > The difficulty in using Ammonia is, the ammonia used is "Anhydrous Ammonia > 100% and that is deadly poison at only a few percent when breathed. > Household ammonia is less than 5% concentration in water and not useable in > the process. Forget It !! I don't want to certainly die by poisoning in a > minor collision. > " > Ha > z > m > at" > protocol calls for an evacuation of 3 mile radius in the event of an > Anhydrous ammonia spill... > > *Dennis Lee Miles * > > *Director **E.V.T.I. Inc.* > > *E-Mail:* *[email protected]* <[email protected]> > > *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913 <%28863%29%20944-9913>* > > Dade City, Florida 33523 > > USA > > > > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Geoff Pullinger via EV <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> On 6/25/2014 9:36 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> >>> Generally, Hydrogen for transportation (no infrastructure) makes little >>> sense compared to EV's (everyone has an outlet in their garage). The >>> business model for hydrogen cars is very weak (though it is needed for >>> trucks and road warriors). >>> >>> >>> >>> BUT! >>> >>> >>> >>> There is a future for hydrogen in utility scale applications for the >>> eventual Bazgigawatts of periodic solar and wind excess into electrolysis >>> of water to hydrogen. Think of it as energy storage (the holy grail of >>> renewables). >>> >>> >>> >>> But then creating a HUGE infrastructure from zero to distribute this >>> hydrogen source in tiny little buckets to burn everywhere in tiny >>> amounts >>> in millions of cars makes no sense, when the utilities can far, far more >>> easily burn it right there at their plants to provide a continuum of >>> electricity at night and/or low wind. >>> >>> >>> >>> Another way to look at it is to have the utilities burn the excess >>> hydrogen >>> to make electricity and use the grid to distribute that electricity to >>> EV's. That is a far easier way to distribute "hydrogen stored energy" >>> since EV's and the grid distribution already exist everywhere. >>> >>> >>> >>> Of course, there will always be a market for SOME hydrogen fueled cars >>> and >>> trucks that must do long trips or continuous road travel. No question. >>> But that is something like only 10% or our transportation energy... and >>> easy >>> to implement along the interstates... >>> >>> >>> >>> P.S. There is another thing I just became aware of. Other countries >>> versus the US with respect to Energy Storage.. Not everything is equal. >>> Germany has a different perspective on storage (hydrogen) for many >>> reasons... they have no natural gas like we do. They cannot use natural >>> gas plants to make-up solar/wind shortages. Where we view "storage" as a >>> short-term (max 12 hour overnight) need, they view storage as a long-term >>> requirement and not just for backup electricity, but for weeks or months... >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2014/06/energy- >>> storage-a-different-view-from-germany?cmpid=SolarNL-Tuesday-June24-2014 >>> >>> >>> >>> Just some thoughts. >>> >>> Bob, WB4aPR >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/ >>> attachments/20140625/c518d803/attachment.htm> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >>> I saw an article last week about a couple of scientists who thought >> hydrogen could be transported much more easily as ammonia (NH3). They have >> suposedly discovered a method to convert ammonia to hydrogen with out using >> catalysts and with good efficiency. I can not find the article now but >> sounded like a game changer - if true. >> >> Geoff Pullinger >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/ >> attachments/20140625/84d1afe0/attachment.htm> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ >> group/NEDRA) >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140625/bbd4bc0d/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
