For sure the economies of scale are not there yet. If you are a buyer of shares in companies - the prospect of profits is the main thing - or really even better (if you are an R&D driven company) - the prospects of high free cash flow.
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV <[email protected]>wrote: > It seems way too soon to expect that it would be profitable yet. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 23, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Zeke Yewdall via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Does anyone have any idea how Nissan is doing profitwise, on the > similarly > > priced Leaf? They're selling really well around here (I see several a > day > > just driving around, often several at the same time), and not just in > > compliance markets. I know the early prius wasn't a profit maker, but it > > turned around.. wondering if the leaf has turned around yet. > > > > Z > > > > > > On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 1:54 AM, brucedp5 via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > http://autos.aol.com/article/fiat-chryler-ceo-please-dont-buy-the-fiat-500e/ > >> Fiat-Chryler CEO: Please Don't Buy The Fiat 500e > >> May 21, 2014 > >> > >> [image > >> > >> > http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/28007ffd7f2a724d2fc78386e2d1dac0/200147006/01-2013-fiat-500-turbo-review.jpg > >> The 500e is costing Fiat $14,000 each time it sells (Fiat) > >> ] > >> > >> Company loses $14,000 on ever electric vehicle > >> > >> Fiat-Chrysler's CEO had a strange request for electric vehicle shoppers > on > >> Wednesday: don't buy the all-electric Fiat 500e. > >> > >> While CEO Sergio Marchionne was speaking at a conference in Washington, > he > >> told the crowd he's tired of Chrysler-Fiat losing money, The Detroit > News > >> reported. > >> > >> "I hope you don't buy it (the 500e), because every time I sell one, it > >> costs > >> me $14,000," he said to the audience at the Brookings Institution. "I'm > >> honest enough to tell you that." > >> > >> Marchionne said federal and state fuel efficiency mandates are forcing > the > >> automaker to build unprofitable cars, according to Reuters. A normal > Fiat > >> 500 starts at almost $17,300, and the 500e starts at $32,650, before > >> federal > >> and state tax credits. There is no sales data to indicate how the 500e > is > >> performing. > >> [© 2014 AOL] > >> ... > >> > >> > http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140521/AUTO0101/305210092/Marchionne-Fiat-loses-14K-every-electric-500 > >> Marchionne: Fiat loses $14K on every electric 500 > >> May 21, 2014 > >> ... > >> > >> > http://news.boldride.com/2014/05/fiat-ceo-tells-customers-to-not-buy-one-of-his-cars-but-which-one/49355/ > >> 'Fiat-Chrysler CEO would rather customers not buy the Fiat 500e EV' > >> 22 May 2014 > >> ... > >> http://www.complex.com/rides/2014/05/fiat-ceo-sergio-marchionne-500e > >> Fiat CEO: "Don't Buy a Fiat 500e" > >> May 22, 2014 > >> > >> > >> > >> For all EVLN posts use: > >> > >> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=413529&query=evln&sort=date > >> > >> > >> > http://www.autoworldnews.com/articles/7424/20140514/teslas-elon-musk-200-gigafactories-will-be-needed.htm > >> Musk sez '200 Gigafactories' Will Be Needed > >> > >> > >> > http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/13/3437155/batteries-sold-first-quarter-2014/ > >> Sales Of Hybrid And Electric Car Batteries Have Tripled In Three Years > >> > >> > >> > http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/latest/panasonic-signs-letter-of-intent-on-tesla-gigafactory/story-e6frg90f-1226914396206 > >> Panasonic signs 'letter of intent' on Tesla gigafactory > >> > >> > >> > http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/13/5695442/my-house-is-my-gas-station-and-so-is-yours > >> My house is my gas station (and so is yours) > >> > >> > >> > http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/05/adorable-elderly-couple-buy-matching-teslas/ > >> Adorable Couple Buy Matching His&Her Tesla-S EVs > >> + > >> EVLN: 2014 i-MiEV, most affordable EV in America arrives this spring > >> > >> > >> {brucedp.150m.com} > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> View this message in context: > >> > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Their-CEO-sez-Don-t-buy-the-Fiat-500e-EV-tp4669611.html > >> Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at > >> Nabble.com. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140523/55bcc441/attachment.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? 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