Hello Oshiro, Chaia, Pln, Claire, Jason, Simone and you hidden out there, As hard as I try I think I'll never understand a woman! In my opinion our minds, I mean of men and of women, are two orthogonal worlds: the spaces through which thougths flow touch only along a crossing line, while most of the rest is separeted and not accessible. Sometimes I have the illusion that getting close the "intersection" could help me in understanding woman's mind. But it's a tragical mistake! I realize the movement our minds follow along these spaces is different as well, so it is unlikely to have a chance to deeply understand eachother. Anyway it is misterious and fascinating!
Actually my attitude is to not try understanding a woman and I don't figure no more 'Why?' out, but I force myself to imagine that a completly different world, ruled by unknown laws exists. I can only accept that! Sorry whether I can't explain it better, I hope what I wrote has a sense for you! PS:It recalls me a song from Oasis, Wonderwall To Claire: first 5 quotations are free of charge, from next on a slice of cake- I am joking! 2009/9/14 Rafael Oshiro <[email protected]> > Hello Pln Alberto Jason Chaya Claire and everybody else, > > Maybe this quotation is kind of old-fashioned nowadays, isn't it? Deep > down, as I can see today women don't want just to be loved. They have fought > for their rights and all that things we already know. If I say that to women > almost 100% will agree with it but in reality, they want to be understood as > well. I think women here in the group can speak up. LOL It's just my > viewpoint. > > Simone, I agree with you, this discussion is getting interesting! :) > > Nice beginning of the week for you all! > Oshiro > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Chaya Eitan <[email protected]>wrote: > >> It is a sexist statement - not that I'm some kind of extreme Feminist - >> which I'm not. My husband loves AND understands me! Well, not all the >> time! LOL >> >> Chaya >> >> --- On *Sat, 9/12/09, pln471 <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: pln471 <[email protected]> >> Subject: [ESL Podcast] Re: Intuitions and feelings should be considered >> when making important business decisions? >> To: "ESL Podcast Study Group" <[email protected]> >> Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 1:05 PM >> >> >> >> Hello Oshiro Alberto Jason Chaya Claire and so many more, >> >> I quite agree with Alberto's attitudes towards life. >> >> As I said before,life is far too unpredictable than most people think. >> We do our best and leave it to the higher intelligence,be it God or >> the universal power to lead us to the next.;) >> >> Oshiro,what you said leads me to a question: >> >> Oscar Wilde oncw wrote: >> "Women are meant to be loved,not understood." >> >> I have asked quite a few students what they think about that concept. >> Most men reacted rather strongly against it. >> >> What does it mean to you?;) >> >> Good night, >> Pln >> >> >> On Sep 12, 10:46 am, SIMONE AVNISHA >> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> > This discussion is getting interesting. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:06 AM, drbenzoni >> > <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> > > Hello rational men and multitasking women, >> > >> > > when I was younger I used to be very rational in every decision I >> took. I >> > > always looked for facts and logical thought before making up my mind. >> As >> > > time goes by I have learnt there are no right or wrong choices but >> > > opportunity to be taken. Now I am more lighthearted in taking decision >> but I >> > > don't regard my decisions as risky or daredevil. I know there will >> always be >> > > something not predictable to affect what will happen next and we >> hadn't >> > > foreseen it, but sometimes it could be a pleasant surprise. >> > > An important lesson I had is to trust people and future and give the >> best >> > > of ourselves to not have regrets! >> > >> > > great weekend to you! >> > >> > > Alberto >> > >> > > 2009/9/11 Rafael Oshiro >> > > <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >> > >> > >> > > Hello Pln, Simone, Jason, Headmaster, Eckman and all >> > >> > >> LOL Pln I believe that's the exactly point, women are not logical >> enough >> > >> for us men to understand them. Men tend to find the logical point in >> > >> everything, but it doesn't happen when it comes to women LOL >> > >> > >> About worrying about the future I'm not quite aware about it. I've >> met >> > >> some male friends that didn't worry much about their future, and it's >> the >> > >> same with some female friends. >> > >> > >> Great day!! >> > >> Oshiro >> > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:13 PM, pln471 >> > >> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> > >> > >>> Hello Simone Jason C. Headmaster Eckman and all, >> > >> > >>> Simone,after reading your points,I realize there's a paradox in >> men's >> > >>> understanding of women. >> > >>> One one hand,men think women are indecisive, >> > >>> but on the other hand,they also admit that women are better at >> multi- >> > >>> tasking!LOL >> > >> > >>> How can we be indecisive and multi-tasking at the same time?!:D >> > >> > >>> That's why men never understand women! >> > >>> We are just not logical enough for them to figure us out,are we?LOL >> > >> > >>> That surveyor geo-engineer student of mine pointed out one aspect of >> > >>> us which is very true: >> > >>> He said that women tend to worry more about their future than >> men,and >> > >>> men tend to be living more for the moment... >> > >> > >>> What do you all think about his findings?;) >> > >>> Where are you,Alberto,Paulo,Hani or Gail?:( >> > >> > >>> Good night,everyone! >> > >>> Pln >> > >> > >>> On Sep 10, 9:26 pm, SIMONE AVNISHA >> > >>> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> > >>> > Hii!!! Everyone. >> > >> > >>> > Indecisive d word is most often related to women.But,I think it's >> > >>> something >> > >>> > which should we viewed from a person's perspective.It's very often >> dat >> > >>> we >> > >>> > come across people saying or rather >> > >>> > emphasising say for ex- women take tym in getting ready,wen dey >> enter a >> > >>> shop >> > >>> > dere's no way dey r gonna leave it before 1 hr or so...,nd most of >> all >> > >>> dey >> > >>> > ponder a lot before arriving at a decision.But,s dat true?????? >> does >> > >>> > everyone of us do dat?????? (plz don't take it personally.) I >> don't >> > >>> think >> > >>> > so... dis s only one side of d coin s d saying goes.Every coin has >> two >> > >>> sides >> > >>> > but most of us in our busy,hectic lyf's running around tryin' to >> catch >> > >>> up >> > >>> > wid each n everything tend to forget it.If women r so indecisive >> how >> > >>> come >> > >>> > dey manage both their work n home?????It takes a lot of >> practicality n >> > >>> quick >> > >>> > decision making ability to do dat.Managing both d places so >> effectively >> > >>> n >> > >>> > efficiently s not everyone's cup of tea n people admit it.Dis s >> > >>> something >> > >>> > which people should think before sayin' dat women are indecisive >> .Being >> > >>> > indecisive s a thing which should be related to a person's >> nature.Dere >> > >>> r >> > >>> > also many people who admire women for their efficiency of doin' >> their >> > >>> work >> > >>> > quickly n efficiently.Not only dat According to surveys Women are >> more >> > >>> > better managers den men it is proved n dey are also more sincere >> > >>> employees >> > >>> > also a result from some survey .So,I think it's more right to say >> dat >> > >>> dere >> > >>> > are some people who take more tym in comparison wid others in >> taking >> > >>> > decisions but wen dey arrive at a decision it's well worth it.It's >> just >> > >>> d >> > >>> > way dey r s God has gifted Every person wid a unique quality which >> > >>> makes >> > >>> > him/her standout from d rest of d crowd d thing s dat each n >> everyone >> > >>> of us >> > >>> > should try to cherish dat uniqueness b'coz dat's smthng >> exclusively for >> > >>> each >> > >>> > one of us.And,d best way of thanking God for dis gift s to >> recognize it >> > >>> n >> > >>> > develope it.Dat's all I've got to say. >> > >> > >>> > regards, >> > >>> > Simone. >> > >> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:51 PM, pln471 >> > >>> > <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> > >> > >>> > > Hello Jason C.Oshiro Simone and all, >> > >> > >>> > > First of all,Jason C,so sorry to learn that you caught a >> > >>> > > cold,especially in this imprtant week of yours...:( >> > >>> > > C'est la vie,isn't it? >> > >> > >>> > > Don't worry about those pictures.They can wait since I'm not >> going >> > >>> > > anywhere anyway!LOL >> > >> > >>> > > As for your Bec Exam in this coming December,I'll find a >> suitable >> > >>> site >> > >>> > > for you to strengthen your skills before the exam. >> > >>> > > If you are taking Bec Vantage,I used to use 'New Insights into >> > >>> > > Business' published by Longman,but I prefer 'Market Leader' New >> > >>> > > Edition (upper-intermediate)published by Pearson Longman. >> > >> > >>> > > I don't know if you know this business English podcast by any >> chance: >> > >>> > >http://www.businessenglishpod.com >> > >> > >>> > > Then,Oshiro,I don't think other members from here know about the >> > >>> > > thread I started at English Learner's Cafe and they can't go >> there to >> > >>> > > read it,either as the cafe has been gone missing since last >> > >>> > > Monday...for whatever reason,we don't have a clue yet...:( >> > >> > >>> > > I will find time to log on TED to watch Elaine Morgan's speech >> as >> > >>> soon >> > >>> > > as I can,and let you know what I think! >> > >> > >>> > > Finally,Simone,thank God,you're back or you're always here. >> > >>> > > Tell me if you agree with me,will you? >> > >>> > > Men often think women are too indecisive. >> > >>> > > The truth is that when women make a decision,they often try to >> take >> > >>> > > everyone and everything into consideration as not to >> > >>> offend,disappoint >> > >>> > > or hurt anyone... >> > >>> > > In short,most women try to please everyone,and we all know >> that's >> > >>> > > impossible,isn't it?:) >> > >> > >>> > > How to exercise sound judgment day in and day out is surely a >> tough >> > >>> > > task for leaders and higher-rank managers! >> > >> > >>> > > A fruitful day to us all at whatever you do,wherever you are! >> > >>> > > And Jason C.Get well soon!!! >> > >>> > > Where have you been Mikhail and Charles at least,another role >> call of >> > >>> > > mine as a motivation partner???:) >> > >> > >>> > > Pln >> > >> > >>> > > On Sep 8, 8:55 pm, SIMONE AVNISHA >> > >>> > > <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> > >>> > > > Hi Everyone !! >> > >> > >>> > > > This thread is quite good.what I can say whenever we make a >> > >>> decision we >> > >>> > > > usually tend to make use of our logic,take into account d >> > >>> prevailing >> > >>> > > > situation which needs to be solved n d most intelligent part >> of our >> > >>> body >> > >>> > > > dat's brain.But,sometym's we are not able to come up wid a >> solution >> > >>> after >> > >>> > > > combining all these.So? den wot to do????? s we have to find a >> way >> > >>> to >> > >>> > > solve >> > >>> > > > the problem which is before us?? dere comes our intuitions n >> > >>> feelings >> > >>> > > which >> > >>> > > > most of d tym lead us to a right direction. >> > >>> > > > Business decisions as such need to be taken wid very much >> clarity >> > >>> i.e; a >> > >>> > > > decision taken in a careless thought process can lead to >> disastrous >> > >>> > > > consequences n can have a impact on the life of people who r >> > >>> associated >> > >>> > > wid >> > >>> > > > it in a big way.So ,people who r engaged in taking decisions >> > >>> regarding >> > >>> > > the >> > >>> > > > running of business tend to use a lot of facts,figures n a >> host of >> > >>> other >> > >>> > > > such analytical instruments n methods to arrive at a crucial >> > >>> > > > decision.But,whenever dere's a big decision to be taken they >> also >> > >>> maybe >> > >>> > > just >> > >>> > > > a little bit do rely on their intuitions n feelings.One may >> come >> > >>> across >> > >>> > > > interviews of great business personalities who in one way or >> other >> > >>> also >> > >>> > > > admit it dat wen dey are about to take an important business >> > >>> decision >> > >>> > > which >> > >>> > > > is going to have a great impact on their business along wid >> all the >> > >>> above >> > >>> > > > mentioned things dey also pay heed to their intuitions n >> feelings >> > >>> to >> > >>> > > arrive >> > >>> > > > at a right decision. >> > >>> > > > So, I say important decisions wenever to be taken especially >> by >> > >>> business >> > >>> > > > honchos dey combine their facts n figures wid their intuitions >> n >> > >>> feelings >> > >>> > > to >> > >>> > > > decide whether to go ahead or not. >> > >> > >>> > > > regards, >> > >>> > > > Simone.(nice to hear from u Pln). >> > >> > >>> > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:14 AM, pln471 >> > >>> > > > <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> > >> > >>> > > > > Hello Oshiro Jason C. Claire Jason B.and all, >> > >> > >>> > > > > Sometimes,I find it quite amusing for me to make men confess >> to >> > >>> women >> > >>> > > > > that they trust a thing called 'hunch',too.LOL >> > >> > >>> > > > > Come on,Oshiro,I know men have feelings,emotions and >> intuitions >> > >>> just >> > >>> > > > > as women do. >> > >>> > > > > A difference is that we don't consider them as something >> > >>> unspeakable >> > >>> > > > > or monstrous!LOL >> > >> > >>> > > > > Actually at workplace,women are quite aware of their >> stronger >> > >>> > > > > development of E.Q. being in their way of decision-making or >> > >>> career >> > >>> > > > > prospects,we learn to rationalize our feelings and thoughts >> > >>> before >> > >>> > > > > making them heard or seen...;) >> > >> > >>> > > > > It's always imprtant to 'strike a balance' as Briana said >> once to >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ESL Podcast". 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