> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:25:02 +0100, Andy Pugh wrote:
>> 2009/6/9 Steve Blackmore <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy - timing belts are not bungees ;)

>> Yes they are, everything is.

>> I have a PhD in materials science. Your move :-)

The PhD is right - everything stretches.  Every material has a Young's 
Modulus.  It doesn't matter whether the material is rubber (a few 
thousand PSI), HDPE (200,000psi), MDF (500,000psi), oak (1,600,000psi), 
aluminum (10,000,000psi), steel (30,000,000psi), tungsten carbide 
(80,000,000psi), or diamond (150,000,000psi).  Every single one of those 
materials stretches under load.  The diamond obviously stretches a lot 
less than the rubber, but it still stretches, and the Young's Modulus 
can be used to calculate how much.

Steve Blackmore wrote:

> I am a qualified engineer and machinist of many years

> In practical terms there is no stretch, provided the design criteria is
> not exceeded.

The engineer is also right, in that many times you can assume that the 
stretch is negligible without calculating it.  That is partly why 
experience and engineering intuition are valuable - if you stopped to 
calculate every single thing, you'd never get anywhere.

But experience and intuition will get you in trouble when you attempt to 
stretch them too far, and that is exactly what is happening here.

This discussion is NOT about timing-belts transmitting rotary motion 
from one pulley to another.  Pulley-to-pulley drive is what timing belts 
are designed to do, and in such normal applications, you can follow the 
"design criteria" and conveniently ignore stretch.

But we are talking about linear motion.  This started when the PhD 
mentioned the ServoBelt (http://www.bell-everman.com/servobelt.html) 
linear motion actuator, and its approach to reducing the effect of belt 
stretch.  The "engineer" immediately dismissed all concern about stretch 
with

 > What belt stretch? Once they are adjusted up, that's it.

Such a blanket dismissal, unsupported by any hard data, is not what I'd 
expect from a "qualified engineer".

When I did the math for a hypothetical case, I got a stretch of 0.020". 
  Whether that is "negligible" or not depends on the application.  For a 
plasma cutter, it is probably fine.  For a wood router, maybe.  For a 
metal cutting machine, certainly not.

I'm an engineer too, but I'm sticking with the PhD on this one.

Regards,

John Kasunich




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