Measurements I made in the last few days now show the internal discharges are about as intense as the original stress, but of course are inside the system so are more serious. So it appears an ESD event may be more likely to affect a system. Coming at once per second, not every pulse causes the internal discharges so a level of uncertainty in the test result is added.
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