What costs $10,000? You lost my interest in the rest of your claims right there.
Ghery S. Pettit Life Senior Member, IEEE From: doug emcesd.com <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2024 5:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] experiments as a source of knowledge Here is the problem. If I want to submit a paper to the IEEE, they want the completed paper submitted, a huge cost to me of well over $10,000 only for the paper to be possibly rejected if it doesn't fit what they want that year, is controversial, or exceeds the technical abilities of the IEEE reviewer. I wrote a paper jointly with a professor from a European university a few years ago that was rejected because a hidden "peer reviewer" did not like it. This reviewer had no idea what he was doing and clearly did not realize the implication of Faraday's law. I offered to communicate through a third person but that was rejected. I have irrefutable data on my website to prove the reviewer was wrong which I could have put in the paper if asked. Wasted effort on a likely older member of the EMC Society that was not able to understand anything new. By the way, I use this principle regularly to solve client problems that their engineers have struggled with for months within a few hours. Too bad it could not have been published by the IEEE. This technique is however available to engineers who take my seminars and is well used by them. I wish the IEEE would go back to deciding on papers based upon an abstract and summary of the proposed papers. For authors that do not yet have a reputation, a mentor was assigned to make sure the paper came out ok. It you are paid by your employer to write papers, wasting your time does not matter when a fully written paper is rejected. But for me such a process takes food off the family table! If the IEEE would like to get some innovative papers they need to change the process to the one they used to have. For now, I will self publish or publish through forums like the EOS/ESD Symposium, DesignCon, or PCB West where I have in the past. Doug Smith Sent from my iPhone IPhone: 408-858-4528 Office: 702-570-6108 Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Website: http://dsmith.org _____ From: Richard Nute <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2024 4:15:56 PM To: doug emcesd.com <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >; [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [PSES] experiments as a source of knowledge Hi Doug: I've been doing PowerPoint presentations and formal papers for the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society since it was founded. My employers allowed me to prepare on company time and paid my travel and attendance expenses. The NkdkJdXPPEBannerStart Be Careful With This Message >From ("Richard Nute" <[email protected]>) Learn More Potential Impersonation The sender's identity could not be verified and someone may be impersonating the sender. Take caution when interacting with this message. NkdkJdXPPEBannerEnd Hi Doug: I've been doing PowerPoint presentations and formal papers for the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society since it was founded. My employers allowed me to prepare on company time and paid my travel and attendance expenses. The IEEE/PSES presentation/paper process has not charged me or my former employer for the presentations/papers. I did get a "best paper" award in 2013. For this society, there is no IEEE membership pre-requisite for presentation/paper, although there is a 20% higher attendance fee. Almost daily, it seems, I get invitations to present papers at some other IEEE conference and related conferences. None have expenses other than the charges for attending the conference, which are modest. As these are out of my field, I ignore them. In the past, I did some original research (published) while employed. Now that I'm retired, my "research" is searching and reading published papers related to a particular subject. I still do presentations and papers. I disagree with your assertion "the IEEE process makes it excessively expensive for an independent contributor to write a paper compared to DesignCon." Attendance fees for DesignCon 2025 and IEEE PSES ISPCE 2025 are nearly equal. Richard Nute IEEE Life Fellow Bend, Oregon, USA _____ This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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