The flood of products using counterfeit marking from China renders our efforts virtually useless and hampers our ability to manufacture competitively.
On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:02 PM Scott Xe <[email protected]> wrote: > * This message originated outside of DISH and was sent by: > [email protected] <[email protected]> * > ------------------------------ > Dear Ted, > > I couldn't agree with your views more. It is crucial for us to tackle > these issues, despite the existing regulations and testing standards in > place. The regulatory authorities and enforcement bodies must thoroughly > assess why these measures have proven ineffective in preventing the sale of > unsafe products in the market. > > Regards, > > Scott > > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 at 20:39, Ted Eckert < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I can give additional background on the reason why these fires have >> become common in New York. A large number of residents of New York City use >> delivery services for goods and food, such as Uber-Eats, DoorDash, and >> GrubHub. The adoption of these delivery services accelerated during the >> COVID lockdown, and it has become a major business in the city. The drivers >> for these services are contractors, not employees, and they get paid based >> on delivery without reimbursement for expenses. Driving a car is expensive, >> and finding parking is very hard. Delivery people who drive cars often lose >> money because they incur too many parking tickets. The delivery people have >> switched to battery-powered electric scooters and bicycles. >> >> >> >> These small electric vehicles are optimal for the delivery services since >> they can move around stopped traffic easily, and they can be brought inside >> the door of a building for a delivery, avoiding the risk of parking fines >> or the vehicle getting stolen. However, the batteries will only last for a >> few hours of use at most. The delivery people want the option of using the >> electric bicycle or scooter all day to try to make more money. The common >> solution is to remove the battery that came with the vehicle and replace it >> with a much larger after-market replacement. The delivery services do not >> pay well, so people look for the cheapest option they can find for a large >> battery. The regulations in the United States make it easy to order >> something online that has undergone no safety testing at all. The result is >> that a battery of dubious quality is placed in an electric bicycle by a >> person with dubious technical skills. No effort may have been made to match >> the charger with the battery. The battery may not be provided with the >> physical protection necessary to avoid damage during use. The question >> isn’t why there are so many fires, but why there aren’t more considering >> the circumstances. >> >> >> >> In the United States, there is reasonable indemnification of the test >> laboratories. The test laboratories accredited under the OSHA Nationally >> Recognized Test Laboratory (NRTL) system have a reasonable level of >> protection. If a product carrying one of their certification marks fails, >> they can be sued, but it would be hard for that law suit to make it to >> court. The test laboratories will indicate that they tested samples on a >> given date and found those samples to meet the technical requirements of >> the standard at that time. Their report does not state that the samples >> were safe. It only states that they passed testing of specific >> requirements. The legal system places the responsibility for safety onto >> the manufacturer. >> >> >> >> The challenges that I see are that battery manufacturers willing to >> ignore safety might be willing to forge safety certification marks and >> documents. I strongly suspect you can buy product online and have them >> shipped to the UK or Europe with a Declaration of Conformity based on >> nothing. I suspect manufacturers will claim their products meet >> requirements without testing or documentation to back it up. If the >> manufacturer is located outside of Europe and has no legal presence there, >> they can sell on line and avoid responsibility. I strongly suspect that >> this is why there are stricter requirements for online importers and >> distributors in the new GPSR. >> >> >> >> The overall issue is not new. Insufficient testing, forged or missing >> documentation, irresponsible actors shipping from the far side of the world >> and the other problems have existed for a while. However, the large size of >> the batteries in these scooters and bicycles, and the common charging of >> them indoors in buildings with a large number of residents, creates an >> issue where a failure can jeopardize many more lives in a single incident. >> >> >> >> >> >> Ted Eckert >> >> >> >> *The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those >> of my employer.* >> >> >> >> *From:* Matthew Wilson | GBE <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2023 2:11 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [PSES] BBC news article re Li-ion batteries... >> >> >> >> I thought this news article that was on the BBC TV broadcast bulletins 27 >> th July might be of interest. >> >> >> >> “Batteries for e-bikes should be regulated in the same way as fireworks, >> heavy machinery or medical devices because of the fire risk they pose, a >> charity [UK based Electrical Safety First] has said” >> >> >> >> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66304564 >> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66304564> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Disclaimer:* >> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended >> solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. >> >> If you have received this email in error please delete it from your system, >> do not use or disclose the information in any way and notify the sender >> immediately. >> >> The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the >> views of the company, unless specifically stated. >> >> >> GB Electronics (UK) Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales under >> number 06210991. >> >> Registered office: Ascot House Mulberry Close, Woods Way, Goring By Sea, >> West Sussex, BN12 4QY. >> ------------------------------ >> >> This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc >> discussion list. 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