John
I’m sorry but I’ve never been part of the “network” monitoring the UKCA and have not followed it’s “story”, and therefore am absolutely unable to give or assist with the sort of presentation you propose. John E Allen W. London, UK From: John Mcbain <[email protected]> Sent: 08 November 2022 21:42 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Pending Regulatory Change to UKCA Program Hello John (and others) Thanks for your interesting message pointing out that perhaps the UKCA program/me is not quite as settled and the timeline not quite as established as we may have thought. At least I think that is what your message was saying? Since this topic confuses me, I am going to assume others may be confused as well - which leads to the following request: Would you (or any other participant on this site) be interested in giving a short update presentation about "The State of the UKCA Programme"? Our PSES Chapter has been doing online presentations each month, and of course we are always looking for new topics and speakers. Past topics and slide sets can be seen at our Chapter website: https://r6.ieee.org/scv-pses/ In fact we will be having our November presentation tomorrow (information below). So ... anyone who would like to educate the Silicon Valley Chapter about the latest UK developments - or other safety & regulatory related topics - is very welcome to join us! Please let me know at: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> and we will set up a date for your presentation. Thanks, and if you may want to attend tomorrow's presentation in spite of the time difference, then please register using the link below. ====================================================== Mexico Market Access and Changes in 2022 Wednesday, November 9 @ 5:00 pm – 6:30 pm Pacific Time (US and Canada) Please register in advance for this meeting at: <https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZwrcOCopjMoG9dhL8sgdiNTm6AvfM37V_2R> https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZwrcOCopjMoG9dhL8sgdiNTm6AvfM37V_2R After registering, you will receive a confirmation email with a link to join the meeting. Planning to send your products to Mexico? Already selling into the market and wondering how the recent changes for electronics and wireless products affect your existing compliance? This presentation will cover: * What are the Compliance Requirements for Safety, Wireless & Energy Efficiency)? * How does the Mexico HS code (harmonized tariff code) drive regulatory requirements? * What is meant by Point of Entry vs. Point of Sale in Mexico? * Which NOM requirements apply to IT, Audio, Video or Wireless products? * What else is new – Regulatory Updates! Speakers: Maja Bland and Nadia Farfán Both speakers work at Underwriters Laboratories (UL). Maja Bland is the Business Development Manager for Global Market Access (GMA) located in Minnesota, USA. Nadia Farhan is the GMA Knowledge Specialist for the Latin America region located in Mexico City, Mexico. Maja Bland is originally from Bosnia and moved to the USA in 1995. She studied in Spain through the University of Minnesota and has worked for several compliance companies – TUV SUD (13 years), 7layers (part of Bureau Veritas, specializing in wireless technologies), and most recently with UL for 3 years. She tracks Regulatory Trade updates and global export compliance rules and is the Global Market Access Track Chair for the IEEE International Symposium on Product Compliance Engineering (ISPCE). Nadia Farfán is a Global Market Access Project Engineer who tracks regulatory compliance for Latin American countries, including Mexico. She worked at NYCE for 11 years and has been at UL since 2022. She is familiar with laboratory test methods related to fabrics, shoes, wheels and safety protection, but the last 3 years she has focused on providing advice about Mexican regulations, including accreditations of certification and inspection bodies, laboratories and providers of proficiency testing schemes. Best regards, John McBain, PSES SCV Chapter Secretary On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 9:22 AM John E Allen <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Afternoon All! Further to the UKCA program(me!) emails over the last few days, you might like to take a look at this blog from CMS Cameron McKenna: “Retained EU Legislation Bill: Part 2: Will the Bill survive the new Government” https://www.cms-lawnow.com/ealerts/2022/11/retained-eu-legislation-bill-part-2-will-the-bill-survive-the-new-government?cc_lang=en This proposed UK Bill is all about the overall situation regarding continued legal implementation, or not, of a huge amount of EU legislation that was adopted into UK law before we left the EU – the number of regs etc., (nearly 4,000) that would have to be reviewed, updated &/or changed, or totally rescinded, and the huge load that this would place on the UK Civil Service at a time when they already under considerable strain with “current issues” and so on. However, the minister that was driving the Bill forward has now “left” the Government (thank goodness – I and many others never liked him!) and it looks like the whole thing could be dropped and the current proposed timescales for completing the task (Dec 2023) might now stretch out to 2026. How that would affect the UKCA regime implementation is not addressed but it might also be affected – but who knows ATM? BTW: For anyone with an interest in the whole UK/EU/”World in general” legislation “scene” I suggest that you go to the main CMS Cameron Mckenna “Law Now” webpages and sign up to that service (see https://www.cms-lawnow.com/subscription , and choose the countries and subject areas in which you are specifically interested. Then you should get their frequent, and often quite detailed, emailed blogs on those areas. By sending them, the company hopes to get you to use their legal services for more detailed assistance (for which you would, of course, pay!) but the Law-Now service itself is free - and well-worth subscribing to if my many years of using it is anything to go by (NB: I have ABSOLUTELY NO affiliation with the company or any of the paid-for services it claims to provide!) John E Allen W. London, UK From: Doug Powell <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: 07 November 2022 22:54 To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Pending Regulatory Change to UKCA Program Rich, et al, I've had the opposite experience. On a particular occasion, a field sales person was on the site of a notably abrasive customer. Initially, that customer was a little cagey saying "Can you see the difference, and what's wrong with yours?" Eventually, after playing the game for a time, that customer pointed out how the competitor's product had one more safety marking that ours did not. While I haven't seen this sort of behaviour very often, I have seen a similar attitude prevail for many years. Unfortunately, a few sales people, whom I know and call my friends, have sometimes complained about the lack of value that product certs bring to the table; then complain about delays in time-to-market, and the added cost of goods sold... And I have the evidence to prove that a safety redesign of an existing "low cost" product family with multiple models and configurations allowed us to further reduce the COGS by an additional 6% overall. So that argument does not hold water with me. It has always been my belief that product certs are not so much a hit to productivity and value, but they do open markets that would otherwise be closed. And this along with evidence of due diligence, and ultimately the safety of the end user are their true value. A singular focus on profitability in the short term is a disservice to everyone. -Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado USA <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> LinkedIn (UTC -06:00) Mountain Time (US-MDT) On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:39 PM Richard Nute <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: “It’s a fact the CE mark adds way more cost than the return on investment of performance improvement.” Reminds me of a marketing manager saying to me that safety (and, I assume, safety certification and EMC) do not generate sales. Rich - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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