I would document the differences between the two and demonstrate why the requirements for both versions are met. Then if you are challenged the homework is already done.
Josh From: Scott Xe <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 10:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Demonstrating Compliance to the LVD w/o using 62368 EXTERNAL SENDER: Verify links, attachments and sender before taking action Hi Daniel, Your logic makes sense but we may receive the challenge from MSA who will follow the harmonised standards published in OJEU at the time of their survey. In case the latest version is relaxed as compared with the current version. You may be in trouble! Regards, Scott On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 at 20:08, Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Sorry to reopen this topic The question is the version to apply for EU testing? 1-Last harmonized version is EN IEC 62368-1:2014+AC:2015 2-Last available version is EN IEC 62368-1:2020+A11:2020 Which one shall we test? The equivalent IEC are IEC 62368-1:2014 (ED. 2.0) and IEC 62368-1:2018 (ED. 3.0)? My preference is to test the last available version to avoid future retesting next years Thank you for your answers. Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Daniel Rodríguez Sr. Equipment Compliance Specialist EMEA ________________________________ From: Ted Eckert <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:56 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [PSES] Demonstrating Compliance to the LVD w/o using 62368 Caution: This email message originated from outside of the organization. DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. If you think it is suspicious, please report as suspicious. Hi Chuck, The biggest change that I have seen is for touch temperatures. IEC 60950-1 allows continuous contact with plastic at 75 C. Even glass is allows a continuous temperature of 70 C. Imagine using one of those new glass-bodied cell phones with it at that temperature. IEC 62368-1 reduces the continuous contact temperature limit to 48 C for all materials. There were probably many older laptop computers with plastic cases that could exceed 48 C on the bottom surface during use. Those laptops would not comply with IEC 62368-1. This isn't the only item to consider, but it's the one I'm most familiar with. There are additional issues related to fire enclosures where a product could pass IEC 60950-1 but fail IEC 62368-1 2nd Edition. However, these issues have largely be resolved with IEC 62368-1 3rd edition. TC 108 recognized that there were many constructions allowed under IEC 60950-1 that were shown to be acceptable through years of use, yet disallowed by IEC 62368-1 2nd edition. Many issues were resolved with the update. Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions experessed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer or TC 108. From: Chuck August-McDowell <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:33 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Demonstrating Compliance to the LVD w/o using 62368 Hi Charles, Only slightly off your topic "Has anyone experienced having an ITE product that complies with IEC60950 requirements, but does not comply with some portions IEC 62368?" I work on the audio side so our base standard is 60065. So to rephrase the question; "Has anyone experienced having an audio product that complies with IEC 60065 requirements, but does not comply with some portions IEC 62368? " I was informed during factory audit the Hipot test voltage changed from 1500 VAC to 1768 VAC ? Oh, and outdoor use also changes from IEC 62368 2ed, calls for using 60950-22 at current editions, which the 2005 edition did not require a dust test, but new (required) 2nd edition requires a dust test, where as 60065 required only IPX4 testing. Let the testing begin! Respectfully, Chuck August-McDowell From: Charles Jackson <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 7:57 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [PSES] Demonstrating Compliance to the LVD w/o using 62368 [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Has anyone experienced having an ITE product that complies with IEC60950 requirements, but does not comply with some portions IEC 62368? In particular the use of a non-LPS psu. Is there some sort of risk analysis that can be done to prove up conformance to the directive based on 60950 with or without supplemental test?? Thanks in advance Chuck - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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