Matthew Lundin wrote: > Andreas Röhler <andreas.roeh...@easy-emacs.de> writes: > > >> Karl Maihofer wrote: >> >>> Andreas Roehler schrieb: >>> >>> >>>> after reopening a file with two footnotes inside, >>>> inserting a third footnote between first and second, it >>>> fails to renumber it. >>>> >>>> >>> Did you try the new "C-u C-c C-x f S" feature of the latest git-version? >>> >>> >> No. Just check this feature for curiosity, as I dealt with that bug >> at common footnote.el >> >> >>> Org does not renumber footnotes automatically when they are inserted. >>> You have to use the command above to do that. >>> >>> >> IMO a decent program should renumber automatically. >> Patched footnote.el meanwhile does if called with footnote-init. >> Unfortunately your footnote-machine is written fairly different from >> footnote.el. >> Otherwise I'd send a patch. >> >> > > There is nothing preventing a user from using footnote.el (and your > patch) within org mode instead of the built in org-footnote-action. > Simply set up a hook to load footnote-mode for org files. > > But the lack of automatic renumbering in org-footnote is *not* a bug. > Unlike footnote.el, org-mode views footnote notation primarily as > markup, not as some form of "final output." The source text simply > contains footnote markup, which can be exported as normalized footnotes. > And of course, at any point, user has the option of normalizing > footnotes in the source text if he/she so desires. > > Footnote.el, by contrast, was designed for short email messages in which > there is no distinction between source text and exported text. Though it > serves this limited purpose admirably, it offers only a very rudimentary > numbering system rather than a complete markup solution. For any complex > writing (e.g., a research paper with dozens of footnotes), footnote.el > is well-nigh impossible to use. There are simply too many chances of > broken or mixed up links. >
Hi Matthew, thanks for you explanation. As often several solutions are possible and different people choose different options. Ignoring the guts of org-modes footnote implementation, just my impression of footnote.el: it's fine by architecture and --if patched-- well capable for all things you want to do with footnotes. Can't see any limitation concerning larger texts. It simply wasn't --or isn't-- written to the end. > Org-mode's handling of footnotes is considerably more robust. Several > different types of footnote styles are available: > > - numbered[1] > > - labeled[fn:label] > > - inline[fn::Here is an inline footnote.] > > Footnotes: > > [1] Numbered > > [fn:label] Here is a labeled footnote. > > ------ > > > All of these can be mixed together in the same document. Upon export to > pdf, ascii, or html they will be properly sorted and numbered, but the > labels in the source will remain the same, ensuring that the source text > remains *exactly* as the user wants it to be. > > At any point, however, the user can sort and/or renumber the footnotes > in the source text. For instance, the footnotes above can very quickly > and easily converted to the following: > > ,---- > | > | - numbered[1] > | > | - labeled[2] > | > | - inline[3] > | > | Footnotes: > | > | [1] Numbered > | > | [2] Here is a labeled footnote. > | > | [3] Here is an inline footnote. > `---- > Transformation looks interesting indeed. Should org-modes footnote better fit my purposes, I'll not hesitate to use it. Andreas > The key here, however, is that the process is completely under the > user's control. Footnotes will not be sorted or reorganized in the > source text unless the user desires it. In my view, this is the proper > behavior for a robust markup system. The whole point of markup is to > avoid the sorts of automated, global alterations of the source text that > are characteristic of word-processors. > > With labeled footnotes in org-footnote, I can rearrange my text and rest > assured that none of my footnote links will be broken. And if I delete a > footnote reference without deleting its corresponding definition (or > vice-versa), org-mode will alert me to the problem when I export or sort > the footnotes. > > All this is to explain why the lack of automatic renumbering is *not* a > bug. And of course, anyone who prefers a different behavior can easily > use footnote.el instead. > > Regards, > Matt > > > > _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
