my amazon example was silly and confusing. the point isn't shopping for something; it's anything. science papers, news outlets, nerd blogs.
On 1/16/22, Samuel Wales <samolog...@gmail.com> wrote: > more below. > > On 12/26/20, Maxim Nikulin <maniku...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 26/12/2020, Samuel Wales wrote: >> >>> [... i can imagine great things possible with such extensions. for >>> example, you could have sets of tabs, selected by right click in >>> firefox, to save to a bunch of org entries. then you could load that >>> particular set of entries into firefox whenever you want. and you >>> could keep notes on each page and move the entries wherever you want. >>> this would be useful for such things as "i am researching rice >>> cookers; these are my tabs, but i don't want them cluttering firefox >>> and i want them with my org notes and to make notes on them and will >>> re-load them into firefox when i want to revisit".] >> >> It should be possible since some tab management extension were used in >> mozilla to evaluate if webextensions are mature enough and if support of >> XUL add-ons could be dropped. On the other hand do not expect such >> feature soon. A kind of semi-blocker is absence of automatic tests to >> run before every release, and it will require a lot of time. > > interesting. i do note tab selection features in recent firefox-esr > and i was just assuming something like that. > >> >> In the meanwhile, have you looked at the following comment? >> https://github.com/sprig/org-capture-extension/issues/12#issuecomment-323569334 >> alphapapa commented Aug 20, 2017 >> >>> You can do this with the "Copy all URLs" extension (ID: >>> djdmadneanknadilpjiknlnanaolmbfk). Use this as the custom format (note >>> the linebreak): >>> >>> [[$url][$title]] >> >> I am almost sure that similar extension should exist for Firefox as well. > > i think this is for copying all tabs, not selected ones. so a > workaround for my idea would be to have a fresh firefox window > dedicated to rice cookers and then save them all. bit it does not > save over existing canonical location for each url or similar. > > which would be needed for my idea so as to not have duplicates etc. > > also i think this extension does not exist any more in firefox. i > used to use it for storing as org links. but it was just to store > links in case firefox screwed up session restore. which it usually > does. for that purpose, i use one that does not save as orglinks. > >> >> Some points should be clarified in my opinion >> >> - Do you expect that metadata should be captured in addition to URLs and >> titles? Browsers can unload some tabs making page content unavailable. > > i wouldn't need this i think. i'd want page title, just as in > ordinary org links, but in principle that can be assumed from the > existing org entry if exists, and if not exists and you are capturing, > the page is already loaded. so i think not a metadata issue. > >> - Are you going to capture reviews of "rice cookers" that could be >> considered as ordinary pages or you are going to save items from online >> stores? I do not current state of affairs but I have heard about some >> activity for special metadata that allows search engines to display >> products in a special way. Could you inspect head element of pages in >> your favorite stores contains desired metadata using page source or >> inspect element tools? > > my web knowledge is too limited to understand your question, but i am > just hoping it would capture ordinary amazon links, review sites, and > so on. and i never use js if i can avoid it so i'm expecting pretty > normal website stuff i think. so i'm flexible. > > [of course, amazon per se links might need cleaning or uniquification > of some type for finding the version in org maybe, or maybe for > improving privacy by removing amazon's data about you in the url, but > that might not even need any special amazon link knowledge. > [fanciness might look for the amazon id, if implementer willing or > somethign exists for that.]] > >> - Should tab group be captured as single Org heading or it should be a >> tree with a section per tab? I am not sure that capture will have no >> problem with subtree. Certainly Emacs interface for org-protocol + >> capture are not suitable for sending each tab as a separate link. >> Another option is to create nested lists, anyway org formatter in my >> extension need improvements. Are you expecting headings subtree or >> nested lists? > > the status quo is that there is nothing, so using lists would be a > huge improvement and work great. but fanciness by using org sections > if poss [i assume this means header and metadata and content and maybe > descendents] could be more flexible. > >> >>> [now if i can only debug the extra-blank-lines-in-capture problem.] >> >> Fully agree that it is really annoying. It is among high priority items >> in my TODO list. > > we might be talking about different thinks. i am referring to > something in org that adds blank lines when my particular org capture > templates are used. i think it is outside all of the hooks that are > available for org capture so not fixable using those. > > recent org might fix it dunno. i am limited in coputer use so i have > not tried to debug it further. just delete the extra lines. > >> >> Accidentally I pressed =C-x C-o= and discovered >> [[help:delete-blank-lines]] innerText is not exactly the same as >> selection range toString but the rules could work in a similar way. >> Table rows, floating and absolutely positioned elements require >> newlines. Such elements are often abused by designers. >> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/dom.html#dom-innertext > > web stuff is above my knowledge and so i think maybe different things > we are talking about. > >> >> >> > > you would still keep notes on each thing and org metadata. > > then you load all links in an org subtree or list, or all with a > :firefox: tag, into firefox. one question is making sure there is a > canonical place for each topic. [rice cookers, a research topic, > etc.] > > metadata snags like you mention are best figured out by those who > undertstand them unlike myself and i'd be flexible. i'd be pleased > with anything i think. i don't need metadata most of the time, just > link and page title. this is all just an idea for cogitation. > > tldr you'd have a set of canonical tabs that is in org and sometimes > in firefox as you please. you can keep org notes on the org links and > they won't be overwritten when you save from firefox. you also won't > create duplicates when you do so. > -- The Kafka Pandemic A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com
