I'm glad this discussion was started. I'm learning a lot from everyone's thoughtful answers.
-Loretta, MS student On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Malcolm McCallum < [email protected]> wrote: > In all my life, I have met dozens if not dozens of dozens of people who > were left off papers and felt they belonged on the manuscript. In every > case the situation caused problems. > > In all my life, I have NEVER, NOT ONE SINGLE TIME EVER, met someone who > got irate because they were included as an author on a manuscript, period. > In fact, I cannot recall a single time that someone held a grudge or was > upset because they were included on a paper. It is well understood that a > manuscript's authorship is distributed in regard to effort, but it is also > distributed according to responsiblity. Anyone thing the 200th author on > the Human Genome Project is remembered or targeted anymore than the 199th > author? I doubt most people will see those names beyond the first author, > maybe the last. > > When a paper goes to press, easily 90% of the responsiblity is born by the > lead author. I get the distinct feeling there is nothing political or > otherwise warranting concern about protecting anyone in this case. > > I personally feel that most people are over-whelmingly selfish/stingy with > distribution of effort, and most guidelines are simply provided by people > who are more concerned about other people's activity than there own. > Further, they put way to much weight on being 10th author on a 20 author > manuscript. > > IF more people concerned themselves with publishing their own papers, > producing their own results, and actually contributing to science, then > this entire issue would be mute. > > Do what you think is fair. > > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Jeff Houlahan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Gary and all, this one's an interesting one. Your position is one I >> have a lot of sympathy for - it's generous and gives credit where it's >> due. What makes this tricky is that it also gives responsibility that >> somebody might not want to accept. I know it's unlikely and not that >> common but there may be instances where somebody would prefer not to have >> their name on a paper where they've done enough work to warrant >> authorship. If my name showed up on a paper without me ever being aware >> that it had been submitted I would be a little bothered. If I read the >> paper and didn't agree with the interpretation I would be very unhappy. >> That said, the idea of not giving credit to somebody who deserves it just >> seems wrong. This is a rock and a hard place. Best, Jeff Houlahan >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news < >> [email protected]> on behalf of Gary Grossman < >> [email protected]> >> *Sent:* August 20, 2016 12:04 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [ECOLOG-L] Query on authorship >> >> Querido Jorge, this is a murky area of co-authorship except for one >> point. Coauthorship is *earned* and should not be taken away because of >> some other circumstance outside of the project responsibilities. Given that >> the second student completed the work while they were at your institution, >> the simple solution, given that they did indeed earn coauthorship, is to >> put them on the paper with your institutional address. If you're worried >> about someone contacting them then just asterisk their name and in the >> footnote put "current address unknown". !Eso! g2 >> >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Jorge A. Santiago-Blay < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Query on authorship >>> >>> Dear Colleagues: >>> >>> I am writing a small paper resulting from research done with two >>> undergraduates many years ago (and, later on, involving several other >>> colleagues using cutting-edge technology). As the results became obvious, >>> both of the students agreed (orally, in person) with me that we should get >>> the research published. As far as I remember, there was no email or letter >>> documenting that and, there was no manuscript, only the data and the >>> methods we were using. >>> >>> The problem: I have located one of the former students (now a researcher >>> at a major research institution), who is excited about getting the research >>> published, but not the second student. >>> >>> Question: How to handle the contribution (including authorship) of the >>> other person? Here are some options I see. >>> >>> a. *Omit the name of the person that has not been located* and indicate >>> that another person was involved in the data collection but we were hot >>> able to locate him/her to get his/her approval to use his/her name as an >>> author. Under these circumstances, would it be OK to name the person in >>> the Acknowledgments? Lately, I am asking permission to do that because >>> sometimes some people prefer to remain anonymous. >>> >>> b. *Include the name of the person I cannot locate as an author*, an >>> act of fairness and good faith on my part. If the person does not like the >>> idea (and the paper is published) retract the name of the person in an >>> erratum, later on, and assume responsibility for my error. A kind colleague >>> did that to me once and, subsequently, it has resulted a long standing >>> collaboration (and co-authorship in many papers, with my knowledge) :) >>> >>> c. *Nor use the data garnered by the person I cannot locate*. 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