I wonder if we can redirect this discussion to the task at hand -- how to find a workable solution rather than point out all the potential flaws in Simone's plans?

We were taking my son on hikes in the mountains of New Jersey and upstate New York when his neck muscles were strong enough. He was probably older than three months then, but he couldn't have been much older than six.

This problem doesn't just affect mothers -- it affects fathers who choose to make similar sacrifices that women make. I took my son to his first class at Columbia when he was two weeks old. A few months later, my son and I were kicked out of a class we were in -- with the instructors permission -- by a fool dean who felt children did not belong at college. The problem with his backward thinking was that I started going to college my dad when I was eight or so. I consider myself empirical refutation of the dean's hypothesis. (My son and I smiled at the grimacing dean as we walked across the graduation stage together the next year.)

In other misadventures with my son, I had to change a poopy diaper while interviewing James Hansen in his GISS office about his work on climate change. It wasn't one of my favorite memories, but Hansen (a father himself) was quite gracious about it.

In our hiking adventures, my son survived cold, hot, wet, and dry conditions. Some days were bad, some days were good -- but we had roughly the same split of good vs. bad days in our climate-controlled home.

The problem isn't Simone trying to figure out how to balance fieldwork and family life -- the problem is the rest of us who throw unnecessary obstacles in her way. Our thinking needs to change, not hers. Personally, I know she'll have to be realistic about how much work she can do with a short person in tow. It won't be as much as she thinks, but it will be a lot more than some other folks think. She'll have to be realistic about certain risks, like sun exposure and insects -- and maybe even bears -- but let's consider one irrefutable fact: our ancestors endured far worse conditions (with infants!) that she ever will, and our species survived just fine.

So, can we focus on practical answers to her original question?

Dave

On 4/8/2012 9:59 PM, Clara B. Jones wrote:
1. Simone: I commend you for reaching out to your peers for feedback. As a
graduate student, I would not have been able to be so vulnerable or to make
such a healthy choice.
2. I have had a fair amount of experience with babies&  children in field
conditions.
3. I camped in the (deep) VT wilderness with a 4-day old (Dartmouth Outing
Club). Bears were attracted to the tent,&  I speculated that they were
attracted by the baby's scent(s). This idea, while plausible, is pure
speculation.
4. Many decisions made by caretakers carry risks. Be aware of what risks
obtain under your conditions, and decide whether the potential costs are
able to be minimized and whether they are costs/disadvantages you are
prepared to assume.
5. I think that Malcolm is correct to remind you that you are incurring
risks--for you and your baby; however, babies are more robust and resilient
than his comments would suggest.
6. What interests me...and concerns me...about your case is the very
significant lengths some females choose to go to achieve their goals and,
sometimes, their dreams. For more than a decade, I have been interacting
formally&  informally with young academic females (American)--both
heterosexual and homosexual--and, for those wanting a committed family life
(however defined), there are, quite simply, no easy answers.
7. In my experience, the combination of serious research science career +
family life is challenging even for females who are independently wealthy.
8. Whatever the tradeoffs, tactics,&  strategies chosen, in my experience,
most (American) females wanting a competitive scientific research career
have to manage guilt; sometimes, shame; expectations&  social pressures of
various sorts (e.g., Malcolm's well-intentioned response); research output
that may be considered compromised if not sub-par; undue, and, often,
self-imposed, stress, etc., etc.
9. It is my personal opinion that the major disadvantage for females in
research science careers concerns how to arrange UNDIVIDED, UNINTERRUPTED,
FOCUSED TIME...sometimes, for protracted&/or unpredictable periods.
10. My own "solution" was to surrender custody of my children; however, I
am not recommending this choice to anyone else and know, from personal
experience, that this decision is one that most females are averse to
thinking about.
11. May I suggest that you read Francoise Giroud's biography of Marie Curie
(available @ amazon.com)?
12. Francoise Giroud's autobiography, *I Give You My Word*, will introduce
you to the type of woman (not, in this case, a research scientist) who
loses a child and shows up on time the next day without appearing to "skip
a beat". I read this book when I was an early grad student, and it
permanently changed my life...long story.
12. There is rather general agreement among female research scientists that
theory (modeling, statistics, etc.) or bioinformatics (tekkie)
concentrations are more forgiving of the realities of the sorts of choices
some females elect (e.g., caregiving, committed partnership) than, say,
fieldwork or bench-work.
13. all best...I hope you can find a way to make it all work out to your
satisfaction...clara

p.s. As a final *opinion *to listserv readers; I consider it, possibly,
irresponsible for major professors, mentors, parents, etc. NOT to advise
female graduate students of the disadvantages associated with certain
personal choices (marriage, motherhood) IF they desire competitive research
careers.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: malcolm McCallum<[email protected]>
Date: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
To: [email protected]


Simone,

I am not criticizing or anything, but I would not bring an 3 mo old
infant into a situation like this.
There are just so many things that can happen and you are so far from
any medical help.
I know a lot of people do it but I would strongly advise against it.
Not only is it a much higher risk for
the infant than an adult, or even a child, it also creates a higher
risk for yourself.

3 mo olds are very delicate.
Consider this, if something happened and the child got hurt seriously
or even died, can you imagine the field day the press would have with
it?  I can imagine some stories that could portray you in a much
different light than the loving caring parent you almost certainly
are.

Malcolm

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:56 AM, David M. Lawrence<[email protected]>  wrote:
A good backpack carrier is worth its weight in gold -- especially one
with a
clip-on diaper bag.  Just take some extra plastic bags to wrap the diapers
in.

Here's a photo of me with a rig and a twerp 15 years ago:
http://flic.kr/p/b6g6Lp

Later,

Dave


On 4/8/2012 12:03 PM, Simone S. Whitecloud wrote:
I'd love to pick up some pointers on how to bring my 3 month old into the
field. I work in the alpine zone, so cool temperatures, wind and rain are
the issue. Any favorite gear items you found helpful? I'm already finding
she is totally soaked by the time we get to the peak from my own sweat.
Know
where to buy wool onesies? Tips on packing out dirty diapers?

Thanks for your input,
Simone Whitecloud
PhD Candidate, McPeek Lab
Dartmouth College

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