On Tue, Jan 07, 2025 at 1:44 PM, Paul Wouters <p...@nohats.ca> wrote:

> On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, Paul Hoffman wrote:
>
> draft-ietf-dnsop-must-not-sha1
>
> This document is fine as-is, with one minor nit: Appendix C should be
> marked for removal by the RFC Editor, similar to Appendix B.
>
> I think the Title and Abstract are broken. It currently states:
>
> Remove SHA-1 from active use within DNSSEC
>
> Abstract
>
> This document retires the use of SHA-1 within DNSSEC.
>
> As we are not removing SHA-1 from NSEC3,
>

Oh, yeah, good point! Thank you.


> I believe the title and abtract
> (and perhaps more content) should clarify that this is about removing
> SHA-1 as hashing and signature algorithm.
>
>
>

Shumon noted that it is used as a hashing algorithm in NSEC3, so we are
proposing:
Title: ""Deprecating the use of SHA-1 in DNSSEC signature algorithms""
and
Abstract:
"This document deprecates the use of the RSASHA1 and RSASHA1-NSEC3-SHA1
algorithms for the creation of DNSKEY and RRSIG records."

Does that work for you / Shumon?



> ============================================
>
> draft-ietf-dnsop-must-not-ecc-gost
>
> The goal of this document is fine. Some of the wording could be toned down
> because we don't actually know why the algorithms were deprecated. I heard,
> very informally, that they had a minor but real weaknesses, and their
> replacements had better security proofs. Given our lack of certainty, we
> should deprecate them only because the sponsoring government did.
>
> Agreed. Additionally, I also don't like the phrase "from active use". Is
> there passive use? Also, we are not the protocol police about usage. We
> declare something obsolete or historic. We don't "pull from active use".
>


Ta. We have attempted to address this by updating the title of the GOST
document to "Deprecate usage of ECC-GOST within DNSSEC". I still don't love
it, but it is better…



> Section 3 might instead read:
>
> This document potentially increases the security of the DNSSEC ecosystem
> by deprecating algorithms that are no longer recommended for use.
>
>
> Section 4 might instead read:
>
> This document removes support for ECC-GOST. Zone operators currently
> making use of ECC-GOST based algorithms should switch to algorithms that
> remain supported. DNS registries should prohibit their clients to upload
> and publish ECC-GOST based DS records.
>
> (The reference to RFC 9499 there is confusing, so it can be eliminated.)
>
>
> It might also add a note stating that it is safe for code to be removed as
> there is no real world deployment of this algorithm.
>
> Appendix C should be marked for removal by the RFC Editor, similar to
> Appendix B.
>
>
> Paul W
>
>
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