At 0:18 +0200 9/2/09, bert hubert wrote:
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Edward Lewis<ed.le...@neustar.biz> wrote:
 At 4:05 +0900 9/2/09, fujiw...@jprs.co.jp wrote:

 Performance problem will be solved by better code and new hardware.

 In my opinion, "Dynamically Generate PTR When Queried" works well.

 I have to ask based on the experience I had with wildcards, how does this
 work with:

It works very well. One large country's incumbent telco has all of its
subscribers behind a scripted powerdns server synthesising PTRs, and
with exception of the large hardware cost savings (these were gigabyte
size zones), nobody noticed.

 1) Zone transfers?
 2) Dynamic update?

1 & 2 typically don't happen in such cases.

 3) DNSSEC?

This will pretty much break, unless you also teach the system how to
synthesise NSEC(3).

"It works very well"? - From your response it sounds like it *doesn't* work with the things I mentioned. This is a good idea, a good start. It just needs further development.

Without zone transfers, this approach lacks interoperability. The master and slaves have to be the same make. Sure, you can achieve all this with one implementation that shares a database backend - but the DNS protocol doesn't have a standard way to plug in any database to any name server.

Without dynamic update this approach is limited functionality in an enterprise network. Dynamic update has a much higher profile in operations than is discussed in the protocol fora. Serving static data is easy and DNS scales real well doing that, but no so much when it comes to changing data. Just about all the current hiccups I see relate to incremental edits to zones.

And without DNSSEC, we don't have security for the answers and more importantly makes me wonder if this new mechanism will grow with the protocol. An aspect of DNSSEC development is that in just going through the motions we uncovered a lot of errors in the protocol and common implementations. Whenever I hear of an extension that does not meld well with DNSSEC, I get concerned, wondering if the change is a good architectural road to take.

I think there is a latent need to extend the DNS protocol to include an answer synthesis mechanism that is more flexible than RFC 4592. It's easy to come up with partial solutions, we need one that has all the features or the current protocol.

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Edward Lewis
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As with IPv6, the problem with the deployment of frictionless surfaces is
that they're not getting traction.
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