On 10.10.2018 14:29, Rowland Penny wrote:
> Are you trying to tell me that Junker etc are leftist ? pull the other> one,
> its got bells on.
No, I just see some patterns. Anyways, I don't put anybody in those
categories, until there is actual strong evidence for that. And I
believe, people should be careful not to declare themselves into
such categories - it's too easily abused for device-and-conquer games.
>> This guy even declared burning down large citites - including their>> civil,
>> unarmed, inhabitants - a 'comparatively humane method',
because>> he claimed to have saved some British soldiers.> > So blitzing
London wasn't the same ?
Don't you think there's a difference between few bombings w/ maybe
few thousands kills and the systematic extermination of cities,
at a time where already was almost defeated ?
For the war criminal, extreme racist, white-supremacist churchill,
who already ordered use of chemical weapons in British the near east,
("I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am
strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes." -
Churchill, writing as president of the Air Council (1919)) Germans
belong to sub-humans, who had to be eliminated.
He made sure that all the peaceful proposals from Germany (including the
many peace offers during the war) had failed - he *wanted* the war, and
made sure that it happened. So, in fact, he is *guilty* of engineering
the worst war in modern history.
During WW1 he said: "Perhaps the next time round the way to do it will
be to kill women, children and the civilian population."
He also openly said himself, what both wars had been about:
"Should Germany merchandise again in the next 50 years we have led this
war (WW1) in vain." (1919)
"I will crunch Germany." - Roosevelt 1932(!)
Winston Churchill: "We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it
or not." (1936)
"This war is an English war and its goal is the destruction of Germany."
(1939)
"Germanys unforgivable crime before WW2 was its attempt to loosen its
economy out of the world trade system and to build up an own exchange
system from which the world-finance couldnt profit anymore" (1960)
Churchill should have been the first to be prosecuted in the Nuremberg
trials.
But Rosevelt wasn't much better: "I will crunch Germany." (1932 !)
> The first world war was a 'family' argument, pity the family were the> royal
> houses of Europe.
No, it was engieered to destroy the upcoming central power, Germany,
which had a massive economic growth after uniting the individual
states to the empire.
One of the biggest German 'atrocities' at that time - from British
Imperialist view, was the attempted construction of the transcontinental
railway, from the near east straight to Berlin and Hamburg. This would
have made the British Imperial navy largely obsolete. That's way they
engineered this war and ignited it with the assasination of the Serb
prince.
> The second world war was caused by a little dictator that wanted the> whole
> of Europe (including most of Russia).
First, the dictator wouldn't have gotten the power, if there wasn't:
* massive atrocities by the (British backed) polish nationalists/racists
/imperialists. Before WW1, there was no state of Poland - it was
created in 1918. But this wasn't enough for these radicals, who also
couped and killed elected leaders - Piłsudski and his murder gangs
demanded the territory of former polish state, that was dissolved
centuries ago. These forced also waged hunger war against the cut off
German territories, eg. Danzig and did many raids on Germany.
* the engieered stock and monetary crisis (by massive credit and money
supply manipulation by FED and RBE), which lead to the 'great
depression'.
* the assassination of Rathenau (by british imperial intelligence)
* atrocities by French occupation
* the (angloamerican financed) Bolschewic Coup in Russia, which brought
the mass murderer and imperialist Stalin to power, who planned to
attack and destroy Germany.
* the completely insane reparations the German people should pay for
several generations - for a war which was *NOT* engineered by Germany.
(but against Germany).
* the massive exploitation of Germany's economy, and the raid of vital
resources like coal (especially in very cold winter) that lead to
massive poverty, starvation and cold deaths.
It shouldn't be any surprise that in such a situation people will stand
behind anybody who gives a chance to improve this horrible situation.
> Lets be perfectly honest here, Germany started both world wars.
WW1 was clearly *NOT* started by Germany - the only mistake of the
Emperor was officially declaring a war, that was already going
undeclared. And WW2 was forced upon Germany, and the allied
rejected all the numerous peace offerings from the German side.
>> Over here in Germany, anybody who talks about that, is automatically>>
>> declared 'Nazi' by the leftists (those who call yet for another
Bomber>> Harris) and risk being hunted down on the street.> > You should
be free to discuss anything you like, it is some actions> that need to
be banned.
Theoretically yes. Practically, people who speak their mind and have the
wrong oppinion risk being prosecuted or hunted down. For example, there
have been several assassination attempts of politicians from the new
conservative party (AfD) - mainstream media labels this party as "Nazi",
as populations of whole cities (eg. Dresden - that left-wing politicians
openly wish to be destroyed again). And and teachers tell the same to
school kids. Yes: that is the situation over here.
Few years ago, an attorney has been jailed for defending some guy who
questioning the Holocaust. Her argumentation in essence was, that the
atrocities of the Nationl-Socialist regime were not proven in court
(dont recall, whether she also said, they also were debated in the
international historician community), therefore could not be used as
evidence within a trial, without prior actual proof within the trial.
This was enough for judging her as a holocaust denier, and publically
denying the holocaust, over here, is enough for putting people in jail.
> Basically treat others as you would like to be treated, you don't need> a Coc
> for that.
ACK.
And if some people really behave badly in the list, that IMHO should be
discussed on per-case basis, in order to find some consensus on the
matter. I don't believe that punishment is a proper method for improving
our society.
--mtx
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