On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 15:32:52 -0600
goli...@dyne.org wrote:

> On 2017-11-23 15:06, Rick Moen wrote:
> > 
> > Seriously, guys, less bullshit on security matters, please.  Some
> > of us can actually detect it and find it annoying.
> >   
> 
> What I'm finding annoying is that someone who has been moderated
> still has a presence on this list via a reply to an off-list email.
> 
> golinux

+1

I have learned more about deep-security issues from this list than
 from all other sources combined.  It is probably my most
important resource for informations of this kind: it makes me think in
ways that I would never have even considered, and is as far from
bullshit as it is possible to get for a noob like me who can't 'detect
it'.

 I have recently upgraded the remaining machines at work from Devuan
 Jessie to Ascii. The headless machines are running without issue;
 however the three machines that run X are playing up. It is still
 early days, but since the upgrades, the previously completely stable
 machines keep losing network connectivity.  The router is a Netgear
 DG834 v4, and as I am in the UK, I assume it has the 'backdoor'
 firmware.  The router will not accept a firmware update. All the
 machines here are on allocated addresses 192.168.0.x which have been
 the same for several years without issue. The three machines in
 question are not accepting their allocated addresses (although the
 three headless machines do so every time), one of the machines is using
 more than one address at a time (up to 3 at a time), one of the
 machines displaced a network printer, and yesterday, one machine
 suffered an X 'event' with error messages everywhere referring to all
 sorts of sensitive system files.  The machines will nearly always get
 their allocated addresses after a router reboot followed by a machine
 reboot.  Ugly.

So could I ask for your opinions please? 
1) What should I replace the Netgear router with?
 What's the 'critics choice'? 
2) Which is less insecure: launching X
 through a display manager (which has root privileges and grants them
 to X), or from startx and Xwrapper with-root-rights=yes and dropping to
 a console when the machine is unattended. 
3) What is the current state of play with the new
X-as-a-normal-user in ascii?  How's that shaping up?

Many Thanks



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