While this seems an admirable idea, it seems that Debian's change of direction is the reason we are here.
A fork means that you take a different path. Inevitably those paths diverge --a fork. We have the benefit of where Debian was with Wheezy and Jessie. That is our resource. Devuan's goal I believe, is to create a distro similar to Debian without systemd. With one choice of DE, one init, essentially one of everything. You are free to add whatever you wish. Once a usable, stable systemdless Devuan is available, then attention might be turned to maintain and share those parts that are not tainted with systemd. Until then, I believe that Devuan resources are better spent on building a viable, usable, systemdless distro. MX-14, PCLOS, ? On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:12 AM, KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 04:01:58PM +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> is it the intent of the devuan team to: >> >> (a) create a "fork" which will always, at all times, without fail, >> require that a debian repo be placed in /etc/apt/sources.list >> >> or >> >> (b) create a "fork" of the *entire debian package repository*, such >> that it will end up over time to be as completely incompatible with >> debian as ubuntu is today. > Luke, I don't know what Devuan will be in 5 years, I don't even know > if it will still exist by then, and I think nobody can assure you that > the transition to and from Devuan from and to anything else will be > smooth and easy and straightforward and painless. well, here's what _can_ assure that the transition will be at least not complete hell and requiring a total abandonment of devuan for debian and vice-versa (i.e. a total and complete wipe-down of a hard drive and a reinstall from scratch): you - the devuan team - can choose option (a) above (a fork that always simply replaces key packages and nothing else) instead of option (b) above (a fork that is equivalent to ubuntu and is *intended* to become completely incompatible with debian). > Before a few months ago I had never thought that I could ever been > forced to leave Debian after about 15 years of using and loving it. likewise. > I > hope that eventually we will see a happy ending to this story, but I > don't have good feelings about that. I am concretely scared that the > whole Debian project might crumble, piece by piece, under the axe of > "progress" and "usability", and with it most of its derivatives and > companions. well, that's why i feel that it should be obvious that it is the responsibility and duty of the devuan team to implement option (a) as a means to replace key strategic packages with ones that you feel will ensure that debian may be made stable through the simple process of adding a single line to /etc/apt/sources.list and issuing an upgrade command. > For me it's either having a (possibly Debian-like) functioning and > fuss-free GNU/Linux, which I can tinker with as like and I have done > so far, or going somewhere else, e.g. to FreeBSD. that's an option i'm giving serious consideration to. l. _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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