Another variable in the equation is that independent developers do not have a guaranteed job every day. You have to compensate for that difference. So, for example, if I were to take on a project that might last two weeks -- I need to make up that other two weeks unless I have another job waiting on me. On the other hand, if someone offers me a 6-month contract -- then I'm happy taking a bit less because I know the money will be coming in for the duration. Regardless, I know what I need to make each month to survive and try to charge accordingly. I imagine others might follow the same approach.
As for the $2800/month being a great starting wage for a web developer -- I sure hope they don't have kids :) On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Daniel Sokolowski < daniel.sokolow...@klinsight.com> wrote: > >>A plumber is mostly manual labour which will take a toll on the body > over the years. > >>I've seen quite a few people making these comparisons to manual labour > jobs and, in my opinion, they are completely irrelevant. > >>A plumber also has travel costs, fuel, cost in lost time travelling, > covering free quotations etc. > > They are absolutely relevant, an expert spends time and money to improve > his or her skills – continually -- be it a plumber or a programmer it's no > difference if it’s manual or mental labour. I don’t know if you are > attempting to prove a point against good rates for django developers or > simply stating your opinion; I will assume the latter. > > > *From:* Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media > Ltd]<cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:26 AM > *To:* django-users@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly Income - > location and project duration specific > > > > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Daniel Sokolowski <elg...@danols.com>wrote: > >> Did the math here and that works out to about $2700/month. I would say >> that would be the bare minimum considering my NOT lavish life style - >> family, house, car etc. >> > > It completely depends on the cost of living in your > country/area/circumstances. > > Perhaps sweet spot was the wrong choice of words, as I meant for it to > mean "typical minimum" take home salary every month. > > >> Furthermore these 'charlatans' driving the price up is a GREAT thing >> because talent and skill is not cheap - these people know what they are >> worth and charge accordingly - sure some are better sales people then >> programmers. >> > > >> >> Time and time again I am reminded that anyone can call themselves a web >> designer - but only a few can do what we can - that I am a web engineer. >> >> Django strengths lies in customization and ability to deliver exactly >> when the client wants while saving us some a small amount of time on the >> basics, it's easy to put up a pretty $15 dollar template based static site >> - damn I had clients thinking they were good web designer and just wanted >> hosting - but not everyone can deliver exactly what is required, that does >> not use a purchased rigid piece of code out there, or code something >> innovative from scratch to solve a need. >> >> I'll repeat *not everyone can do what we can do* so charge accordingly, >> be proud, confident and call your self a web engineer. If you talk big, >> appear big, deliver big you will attract those big projects - of course if >> people Google you or your business you better be on first page to justify >> that. >> >> The company I work for as an employee charges $65/hour - after all >> expenses, down time, employee wages, not billable tasks the profit margins >> are not that great I recon - I would guess target being business making $20 >> an hour I doubt that happens often though. >> >> Final food for thought - a plumber service here starts at $60-100 / hour. >> > > A plumber is mostly manual labor which will take a toll on the body over > the years. > > I've seen quite a few people making these comparisons to manual labor jobs > and, in my opinion, they are completely irrelevant. > > A plumber also has travel costs, fuel, cost in lost time travelling, > covering free quotations etc. > > >> >> -- >> Daniel Sokolowski >> Web Engineer >> Danols Web Engineeringhttp://webdesign.danols.com/ >> Office: 613-817-6833 >> Fax: 613-817-4553 >> Toll Free: 1-855-5DANOLS >> Kingston, ON K7L 1H3, Canada >> >> >> >> >> On 03/05/2012 06:31, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Just my two cents worth on this (albeit slightly off topic) - it's not >> all about technical ability or the industry you are working in. >> >> Most clients are willing to pay that extra premium for contractors who >> are able to manage expectations and go above and beyond. >> >> I've seen many great developers with amazing skills go unnoticed, >> primarily because they don't know how to handle clients, clear and concise >> communication plays a huge part in pricing. >> >> The other problem is that the market is flooded with charlatans, who are >> driving the prices up and make it even more diluted for the rest of us. >> >> You also have to remember that many people don't factor in project >> management and sales/phone calls into the hourly rate - they simply absorb >> the costs - which further drives it down. >> >> Cut a long story short though, I personally think that around £1700/month >> after tax is the 'sweet spot' for any developer (assuming you're not in the >> city). Anything beyond that is a bonus :) >> >> Cal >> >> >> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Raphael <developm...@develissimo.com>wrote: >> >>> Hello Kurtis, >>> >>> thank you for letting is know about C. Lemmings post, we are going to >>> use all the information we are able to grab. >>> Got project data via email - but anyway till now its far not enough. >>> >>> http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/ >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Raphael >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 2012-05-01 at 10:44 -0400, Kurtis Mullins wrote: >>> >>> Raphael, >>> >>> >>> >>> According to another topic -- some developers are being paid roughly >>> $20/hour. It's under a post by Cal Lemmings where he is trying to hire some >>> entry level developer(s). You might be able to use that information as >>> well. 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