On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Daniel Sokolowski <elg...@danols.com> wrote:
> Did the math here and that works out to about $2700/month. I would say > that would be the bare minimum considering my NOT lavish life style - > family, house, car etc. > It completely depends on the cost of living in your country/area/circumstances. Perhaps sweet spot was the wrong choice of words, as I meant for it to mean "typical minimum" take home salary every month. > Furthermore these 'charlatans' driving the price up is a GREAT thing > because talent and skill is not cheap - these people know what they are > worth and charge accordingly - sure some are better sales people then > programmers. > > > Time and time again I am reminded that anyone can call themselves a web > designer - but only a few can do what we can - that I am a web engineer. > > Django strengths lies in customization and ability to deliver exactly when > the client wants while saving us some a small amount of time on the basics, > it's easy to put up a pretty $15 dollar template based static site - damn I > had clients thinking they were good web designer and just wanted hosting - > but not everyone can deliver exactly what is required, that does not use a > purchased rigid piece of code out there, or code something innovative from > scratch to solve a need. > > I'll repeat *not everyone can do what we can do* so charge accordingly, > be proud, confident and call your self a web engineer. If you talk big, > appear big, deliver big you will attract those big projects - of course if > people Google you or your business you better be on first page to justify > that. > > The company I work for as an employee charges $65/hour - after all > expenses, down time, employee wages, not billable tasks the profit margins > are not that great I recon - I would guess target being business making $20 > an hour I doubt that happens often though. > > Final food for thought - a plumber service here starts at $60-100 / hour. > A plumber is mostly manual labor which will take a toll on the body over the years. I've seen quite a few people making these comparisons to manual labor jobs and, in my opinion, they are completely irrelevant. A plumber also has travel costs, fuel, cost in lost time travelling, covering free quotations etc. > > -- > Daniel Sokolowski > Web Engineer > Danols Web Engineeringhttp://webdesign.danols.com/ > Office: 613-817-6833 > Fax: 613-817-4553 > Toll Free: 1-855-5DANOLS > Kingston, ON K7L 1H3, Canada > > > > > On 03/05/2012 06:31, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote: > > Hi, > > Just my two cents worth on this (albeit slightly off topic) - it's not > all about technical ability or the industry you are working in. > > Most clients are willing to pay that extra premium for contractors who > are able to manage expectations and go above and beyond. > > I've seen many great developers with amazing skills go unnoticed, > primarily because they don't know how to handle clients, clear and concise > communication plays a huge part in pricing. > > The other problem is that the market is flooded with charlatans, who are > driving the prices up and make it even more diluted for the rest of us. > > You also have to remember that many people don't factor in project > management and sales/phone calls into the hourly rate - they simply absorb > the costs - which further drives it down. > > Cut a long story short though, I personally think that around > £1700/month after tax is the 'sweet spot' for any developer (assuming > you're not in the city). Anything beyond that is a bonus :) > > Cal > > > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Raphael <developm...@develissimo.com>wrote: > >> Hello Kurtis, >> >> thank you for letting is know about C. Lemmings post, we are going to use >> all the information we are able to grab. >> Got project data via email - but anyway till now its far not enough. >> >> http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/ >> >> Kind regards, >> Raphael >> >> >> >> On Tue, 2012-05-01 at 10:44 -0400, Kurtis Mullins wrote: >> >> Raphael, >> >> >> >> According to another topic -- some developers are being paid roughly >> $20/hour. It's under a post by Cal Lemmings where he is trying to hire some >> entry level developer(s). You might be able to use that information as >> well. I just thought I'd let you know. >> >> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Raphael <developm...@develissimo.com> >> wrote: >> >> Dear djangos, >> >> if you want to hand-in your data anonymously - just send us an email to >> django[at]develissimo.com >> we really need more data to achieve some meaningful results. >> >> http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/ >> >> Cheers, >> Raphael >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Django users" group. >> To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Django users" group. >> To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Django users" group. >> To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django users" group. > To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en. > > > > -- > Daniel Sokolowski > Web Engineer > Danols Web Engineeringhttp://webdesign.danols.com/ > Office: 613-817-6833 > Fax: 613-817-4553 > Toll Free: 1-855-5DANOLS > Kingston, ON K7L 1H3, Canada > > > Notice of Confidentiality: > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. 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