2011/6/23 Russell Keith-Magee <russ...@keith-magee.com>: > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] > <cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Shawn Milochik <sh...@milochik.com> wrote: >>> >>> On 06/23/2011 12:36 PM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote: >>>> >>>> The perfect link to refer these users to: >>>> >>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >>>> <http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html> >>>> >>>> (props to harryr for finding this) >>>> >>> >>> Yeah. I used to post that link pretty frequently until I was asked to >>> stop. ;o) >> >> Lmao, I won't re-post this again then ;p >> >>> >>> I still think it's a great essay. If I remember correctly, the objection >>> to it was that the tone wasn't necessarily at the same level of acceptance >>> and friendliness we like to maintain in this group. >>> >>> We should distill it into a shorter, newbie-friendly version and get it >>> posted somewhere official so we can refer to it. >> >> That's be pretty cool. But my guess is that the maintainers just want us to >> reply with a "you need to give us more information before we can help you" >> speech, in a non-insulting tone. Shame, takes all the fun out of it lol. >> </meany> > > The tone is exactly why I've asked people to stop referring to ESR's > document. The spirit of the document -- that you can only get good > answers if you ask good questions -- is certainly valid, but to me, > ESR's tone in that document really comes off as "Stop wasting my time, > which is more valuable than yours, because I'm a hacker, which means > I'm awesome and you're not". I'm sorry, but being a 1337 h4X0R doesn't > give you carte blanche to treat anyone else like crap. > > The Django core team have tried really hard to foster a positive, > accepting community culture. Everyone is a beginner once, and everyone > occasionally posts in haste and forgets to include salient details. > Absolutely nothing is gained by insulting a newcomer to the community. > > As a side note, if someone were to redraft that document in such a way > that it *doesn't* have that tone, I'd gladly include the text in > Django's own documentation. > > Yours, > Russ Magee %-) >
I find this document[0] to be really nice, helpful and without that particular tone. Someone from Python Argentina (PyAR) translated it to Spanish and it is what we use to guide newcomers. [0] http://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html Regards, -- Fabián E. Gallina http://www.anue.biz -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en.
