Hi All: I am also a newbie on this list. I have been reading the list for about two months. I have learned a LOT following the questions and answers. I would like to suggest that some of the links like duckduck.go be added to the standard doc's page's on the right hand side. I would also like to see the 'Getting Help" be on each page.
I would also like to thanks all the responders to this list for all the effort expended to helping all the noob's. Even though I have not posted any requests for help yet, I am sure I will in the future. Everyone have a nice day... Richard P.S. really like Django! On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:14 PM, Ronnie Betzen wrote: > Being a newbie myself, I find this much more appealing. > I'm grateful this is being considered, having read ESR's version as well. > > I'll also try to be very careful to follow these guidelines as I appreciate > the time everyone here takes to help people like me. Thanks a bunch! > > On Thursday, June 23, 2011 09:17:54 PM Fabian Ezequiel Gallina wrote: >> 2011/6/23 Russell Keith-Magee <russ...@keith-magee.com>: >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] >>> >>> <cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk> wrote: >>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Shawn Milochik <sh...@milochik.com> > wrote: >>>>> On 06/23/2011 12:36 PM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote: >>>>>> The perfect link to refer these users to: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >>>>>> <http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html> >>>>>> >>>>>> (props to harryr for finding this) >>>>> >>>>> Yeah. I used to post that link pretty frequently until I was asked to >>>>> stop. ;o) >>>> >>>> Lmao, I won't re-post this again then ;p >>>> >>>>> I still think it's a great essay. If I remember correctly, the >>>>> objection to it was that the tone wasn't necessarily at the same level >>>>> of acceptance and friendliness we like to maintain in this group. >>>>> >>>>> We should distill it into a shorter, newbie-friendly version and get it >>>>> posted somewhere official so we can refer to it. >>>> >>>> That's be pretty cool. But my guess is that the maintainers just want us >>>> to reply with a "you need to give us more information before we can >>>> help you" speech, in a non-insulting tone. Shame, takes all the fun out >>>> of it lol. </meany> >>> >>> The tone is exactly why I've asked people to stop referring to ESR's >>> document. The spirit of the document -- that you can only get good >>> answers if you ask good questions -- is certainly valid, but to me, >>> ESR's tone in that document really comes off as "Stop wasting my time, >>> which is more valuable than yours, because I'm a hacker, which means >>> I'm awesome and you're not". I'm sorry, but being a 1337 h4X0R doesn't >>> give you carte blanche to treat anyone else like crap. >>> >>> The Django core team have tried really hard to foster a positive, >>> accepting community culture. Everyone is a beginner once, and everyone >>> occasionally posts in haste and forgets to include salient details. >>> Absolutely nothing is gained by insulting a newcomer to the community. >>> >>> As a side note, if someone were to redraft that document in such a way >>> that it *doesn't* have that tone, I'd gladly include the text in >>> Django's own documentation. >>> >>> Yours, >>> Russ Magee %-) >> >> I find this document[0] to be really nice, helpful and without that >> particular tone. >> >> Someone from Python Argentina (PyAR) translated it to Spanish and it >> is what we use to guide newcomers. >> >> [0] http://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html >> >> >> Regards, > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django users" group. > To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en.
