Hi Naomi,
I would hope it would be possible to remove an individual from any ML. I am
not proposing that we tolerate or moderate unhelpful behavior. I am proposing
that we refine appropriate ways of stopping unwanted behavior by eventually
figuring out the best response that is non-combative, takes the high road, yet
shuts down unhelpful discussions. That would be the "development" of a "tool"
that folks on other lists can use to manage unhelpful behavior. Creating more
MLs is not a solution other projects can use as easily.
That said, ML's are cheap, so no objections to giving it a try.
My 2 cents,
-Alex
On 5/17/19, 9:59 AM, "Naomi Slater" <n...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
I've thought a bit more about Ross's proposal, and I think I've come to the
conclusion that I prefer:
diversity@apache.org - for questions and answers, debate, etc
diversity-...@apache.org - a place for this committee to get work done
I say this because there seems to be some consensus that we want to start
building a FAQ and a list of resources. and it makes sense to me that that
activity is being driven by the discussions on a list under our direct
purview (i.e. diversity@apache.org)
Alex, if someone tries to derail work being done on diversity-dev@ with
"debate" and requests to be educated or "convinced", and they refuse to
move that stuff to diversity@, we can, quite simply, remove them from the
list
removing troublesome people from diversity-dev@ takes a lot less energy
than trying to tolerate/moderate their presence
On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 18:42, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
> I guess I don't understand how telling someone to go to a different list
> will work regardless of which list we tell them to go to. That's why I
> offered that we need to practice and hone our management of certain types
> of posts instead.
>
> My 2 cents,
> -Alex
>
> On 5/17/19, 8:54 AM, "Naomi Slater" <n...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 16:37, Ross Gardler
> <ross.gard...@microsoft.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On the topic of another list, why wouldn't "off-topic" be comdev?
> >
> > I think most, if not all, of us are in there. If we take the
> > responsibility of ensuring diversity and welcoming in that list then
> we are
> > starting to spread by example.
> >
>
> interesting proposal! what do others think?
>
> also: do we need buy-in from the ComDev PMC? I would like to formalize
> this
> setup in our community guidelines (see other thread)
>
>
>
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