On the topic of another list, why wouldn't "off-topic" be comdev?
I think most, if not all, of us are in there. If we take the responsibility of ensuring diversity and welcoming in that list then we are starting to spread by example. Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 6:40:18 AM To: diversity@apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] committee resources >From a purely selfish point of view, I would rather make the FAQ and Resources pages HTML than wiki. I am in the process of learning Confluence so I can edit the wiki. I already know HTML. On 5/17/2019 6:20 AM, Naomi Slater wrote: > hey folks, > > now the D&I committee is official, I think it's time we think about the > resources we want to commission > > so far we have one mailing list: > > - diversity@apache.org > > we also have: > > - > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fpages%2Fviewpage.action%3FpageId%3D112820458&data=02%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C3687d779e3a1426c524408d6dacd3d4c%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636936972368293255&sdata=VgziJFJwoFz42AcHklgMrMO3Xw2L1kS5Vp7jvqL7UXo%3D&reserved=0 > - > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fprojects%2FDI%2Fissues%2FDI-2%3Ffilter%3Dallopenissues&data=02%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C3687d779e3a1426c524408d6dacd3d4c%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636936972368303250&sdata=FurUfOHWfnbYdpLGDpgsEZNKp53L84qxeKJkoHP43sw%3D&reserved=0 > > at a minimum, I would like to suggest we create: > > - diversity-priv...@apache.org (for use akin to how priv...@tlp.apache.org > lists are used) > > I am also wondering if we want to create: > > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiversity.apache.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C3687d779e3a1426c524408d6dacd3d4c%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636936972368303250&sdata=nJGVEAFnBqrNq2OtaSDUNToSlIkkdyyaehJgMCG1FCY%3D&reserved=0 > > <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.apache.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C3687d779e3a1426c524408d6dacd3d4c%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636936972368303250&sdata=9GZ6AuV9ugXQxRdhFO%2BhQKZCFHrc%2BBdt9CbWMONmH7s%3D&reserved=0> > > this could be a more formal, polished presence for us on the Apache site. > the first port of all for Apache committers/members, as well as outsiders. > (whereas the wiki would be more for our own use as a committee) > > I'd also like to bring back the suggestion that we have a third list > exclusively for off-topic threads (my rubric for "off-topic" would be "is > this helping us get work done>"). people can do what they like on the other > list (within reason). bring up beginner questions, request education, > rehash old debates, whatever > > diversity-disc...@apache.org might work for this. it fits in with our other > top-level foo-discuss@ mailing lists. and it's a value-neutral name > > I want to stress my belief that if we don't have a dedicated mailing list > for "debates" and requests for education, and so on, there will be no way > of dealing with that stuff on diversity@ in a way that doesn't run the risk > of derailing productive threads and sapping contributor energy. I really > want to be able to say "this is off-topic for this list, please move it to > diversity-discuss@" (and that is something we can enforce if someone > decides to cause problems) > > yes, trolls are likely to come straight to diversity@, but we can direct > them elsewhere (see above) > > an alternative way of doing this would be to use diversity@ for general > discussion and create diversity-dev@ for the committee to actually get work > done. I don't think this solves the troll problem. they'll just join > diversity-dev@ instead. but we can do the same thing, and direct them to > diversity@ > > really, I think this comes down to the semantics of -discuss and -dev and > what we think is more suitable > > in summary, I have three proposed actions: > > - create diversity-private@ > - create diversity-discuss@ or diversity-dev@ > - create > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiversity.apache.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C3687d779e3a1426c524408d6dacd3d4c%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636936972368303250&sdata=nJGVEAFnBqrNq2OtaSDUNToSlIkkdyyaehJgMCG1FCY%3D&reserved=0 > > <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.apache.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C3687d779e3a1426c524408d6dacd3d4c%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636936972368303250&sdata=9GZ6AuV9ugXQxRdhFO%2BhQKZCFHrc%2BBdt9CbWMONmH7s%3D&reserved=0> > > I am sending this email to see if we have consensus around one or more of > these proposals > > after waiting a bit, I will assume lazy consensus for anything with no > raised objections and request the resource > > thanks! > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org
