On 17.12.2015 11:15, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
>>>>>> "HH" == Harald Hoyer <har...@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> HH> To improve the situation, we could make use of the new rpm weak
> HH> dependencies.  So the
> 
> I'm not sure I see the point.  The dependencies are there so that the
> scriptlets work.  If the scriptlets don't actually need to work then
> there's no point in having the Recommends: at all, especially of other
> essential parts of the system will pull in systemd if necessary.

Maybe.. yes. All you would want then is the OrderWithRequires()

> 
> And I'm not sure what harm would occur if systemd gets installed later.
> All that's missed for package install is the daemon-reload call which
> isn't a problem.  If systemd isn't installed at package upgrade or

The preset enablement would be missing.

> uninstall time, the scriptlets for stopping or restarting the daemon
> aren't relevant either.
> 
> So maybe I'm assuming too much, but I wonder if we couldn't drop just
> the systemd dependencies entirely.
> 
>  - J<
> 

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