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> On Mon, Sep 08, 2014 at 08:36:21AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> > On Sun, 2014-09-07 at 22:18 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > >  - has tools for setting the system time and timezone, and locale
> > > 
> > > Sure. They're useful.
> > 
> > In GNOME, our settings panels previously only worked on Fedora and
> > Debian, with some half-functional code for Arch and openSUSE, because
> > each distro handled these differently and required custom code. Now we
> > have no special casing for different distros, and it works everywhere
> > these D-Bus interfaces are present (including systems without systemd
> > that provide it, like Ubuntu).
> 
> Yeah, that was nice, when it worked as we wanted. Unfortunately, with
> the latest systemd the NTP service which is enabled/disabled by
> timedated is no longer selected from the services installed on the
> systemd, but is now hardcoded to the systemd SNTP client (timesyncd).
> 
> That means the NTP status reported in GNOME settings may be incorrect,
> enabling/disabling NTP will do nothing if another NTP service is enabled
> or timesyncd will be enabled even when our default NTP client
> (chronyd) is installed.
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1136905
> 
> Upstream is not interesting in having this configurable. Should we be
> patching timedated? Or GNOME?

FYI, I have no interest in taking a patch to *re-add* special casing for that
in GNOME.

> > I don't really care where these interfaces live, but they need to exist
> > somewhere, and systemd seems like the logical place for them.
> 
> Agreed, the problem is systemd upstream may have a different view on
> what exactly the interfaces should do.
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