On Mon, 22.07.13 16:04, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Matthew Miller <mat...@mattdm.org> wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 04:09:32PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> the problem i see is when things like MTA and rsyslog are > >> removed from the defualt install many pakcgers will less > >> care about them in the future nor test how well it works > > > > That's a separate issue. MTAs and syslog are going to be needed for many > > very important use cases for years to come. That doesn't mean we need to > > install them by default. > > It's not really separate. > > We don't have any canonical developer documentation that says what is > or isn't a part of the OS, and "good" Linux applications are expected > to use; we only have traditions, word of mouth, and de-facto > standards. In this situation, what is or isn't enabled by default and > shipped by default matters more than saying "are going to be needed > for years to come" - the actions speak louder than the words. > > Think of these debates as attempts to, after all the years, agree on > and write down what the traditions and de-facto standards actually > are. > Mirek
If you argue from the viewpoint of how universially available an API is to make it "standard", then I would like to remind you that there are probably more Ubuntu installations in the world thatn Fedora installations, and they haven't included any MTA by default in 6 years or so. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
