On Wed, Apr 09, 2025 at 03:35:06PM -0400, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> Can we go ahead in time and let kevin to create the gdm-x11 package? We

Sure, if he wants to? 

But I'll note that as far as I know, upstream plans to remove this in
the upcoming gnome cycle, so you would need to re-add it back and
maintain it. 

Additionally, IMHO, this would only be very useful for X11 gnome
sessions, which... will increasingly be difficult I suspect.

If you aren't using gnome and want X11 sessions, you should have
switched to another display manager long ago. When gdm switched to
being a gnome session in the greeter... I'm not sure how many years ago
that was now.

> already know how this is going to be:
> 
> - The SIG is going to say they don't have bandwidth, hands or time to
> support tickets with problems for x11
> - Kevin and a lot of us that still use X11 are going to say that this
> change is Fedora specific not upstream
> - The SIG is going to say that they don't block
> - The whole conversation is going too FESCo
> - FESCo is going to rule that the SIG can't block anyone to do what FLOSS
> is supposed to be.
> - Packages are going to be done and added.
> 
> I can't understand what anyone's problem with X11 is. If you don't like it,
> fine, don't use it, but stop trying to put it out of Fedora when there are
> still people out there using it. Like us in the i3 SIG.

i3 uses lightdm, no? Just like Xfce does...

You're welcome to keep using X11 as long as folks are maintaining the
things you need, but if upstreams have made a technical decision to no
longer maintain something, your choices are to convince them to keep it
(I think we are long past that with X), fork things you need and
maintain them yourself, or move on. 

I agree this could have been a change to raise awareness.

I'll note this change was made in september of last year in rawhide
from what I can see.

kevin
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