> Am 28.05.2021 um 11:43 schrieb Neal Gompa <ngomp...@gmail.com>: > > On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 3:45 AM Peter Boy <p...@uni-bremen.de> wrote: >> >> Nevertheless, coordination and cooperation is at least very desirable (in >> fact, indispensable). And is is not just about who is paying the bills. >> Beyond this crude economic dimension, Fedora benefits from the reputation of >> being upstream for RHEL (and vice versa, for sure). A defiant "we can do as >> we like" is not helpful > > Being upstream for RHEL also means pushing forward and demonstrating > that things *can* work better in a different way. If we didn't, > there's no way for RHEL to change. We bring no value as upstream if we > don't actually *do* things.
Agreed. And yet it requires coordination and discussion, in a transparent and comprehensible manner. >> Cloud Working Group did not happened for years, then there were a few short, >> sparsely-attended and content-dry meetings. A range of existing problems, >> starting with lack of documentation. A hesitancy to make any change >> currently to the cloud artifacts (expressed by Dusty Mabe at that March >> meeting, 3). And then out of nowhere the file system conversion, a very >> central element. To me, it seems like a playground for missionaries to gain >> ground, certainly not like a considerate and methodical long-term design. >> > > Actually, the Cloud WG members had been talking about this ad-hoc > since all the desktop variants switched last year. The ticket[4] was > filed around the same time the desktop change was proposed. Dusty, > Joe, James, and myself had been talking about it outside of meetings > since. David became interested after the Nest talk about Btrfs[5]. > That conversation started again after my talk on Btrfs at DevConf.cz > (the recording has not been published still, sadly). So this has been > a long time coming. > > [4]: https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/308 > [5]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHjhouSxIrc I would have expected at least a public announcement on the cloud mailing list including an invitation for discussion at an IRC meeting and - for such a far-reaching matter - a subsequent voting. But I'm not involved in the Cloud SIG. So let's close the discussion. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
