On 11/14/19 10:52 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:


On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:49 PM Miro Hrončok <mhron...@redhat.com <mailto:mhron...@redhat.com>> wrote:

    On 14. 11. 19 22:30, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
    > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:24 PM Miro Hrončok
    <mhron...@redhat.com <mailto:mhron...@redhat.com>> wrote:
    >
    >> Easy is subjective. I don't consider this easy. I consider it
    seriously
    >> overcomplicated. The idea that going modular will somehow help
    with current
    >> problems in modularity is exactly what happened to eclipse.
    >
    > No, what happened to Eclipse is that the maintainers of maven
    and ant
    > ran ahead without asking for input, created an environment that
    caused
    > problems for Eclipse and Eclipse got backed into a corner.
    >
    > As for overcomplicated, I think we can simplify it quite a lot,
    but I
    > think I'm doing a poor job of explaining it over email. Perhaps we
    > could do a Google Hangout tomorrow and discuss it real-time?

    Sure thing. Please contact me off-list to discuss when to do this.
    I'm not
    entirely sure it can be tomorrow. I would like to have other
    Python maintainers
    there, especially those who have been involved in RHEL 8 Python
    modularization
    and Petr Viktorin (the team-lead) is on vacation tomorrow.


After tomorrow, I’m out of the office for two weeks. So I may see if I can brain-dump to Petr and have him meet with you folks.


A meeting sounds good, I cleaned out my calendar for next week.

Tomas



    >> I'm not going to do this. I guess that after the RHEL 8
    experience, neither are
    >> the remaining Python maintainers.
    >
    > Please defer judgement until we've talked out the whole idea.
    That's all I ask.

    I will try to do that, but I'm seriously biased here. I try not to
    be, but it's
    getting harder with every modularity thread on this list.


I understand. It’s been a rough road and it’s easy to get discouraged. I really feel like we are approaching the finish line and shouldn’t give up just yet!

Thank you for keeping an open mind. Your help and feedback has been invaluable.



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