So, we have addressed this issue before but the message isn't complete without extra information.
> With this message, the Whimsy PMC has been notified that your ICLA has been > filed. > > ** Please contact the Apache Whimsy PMC with any further questions, not the > Secretary. Thanks. ** > > Please provide the Apache Whimsy PMC (copied) with a valid Apache id. > > The id must not already be in use. See > https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html > Note that some existing ids include '-' and '_'. These characters are no > longer permitted in ids. > > The id must consist of lowercase alphanumeric characters only, starting with > an alphabetic character. > Minimum length 3 characters. No special characters. > If you go to the page https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html you will not find the reserved ids listed. I suggested earlier: >>> Can we add reserved names to https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html >>> <https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html> which is where we send >>> people to check if their preferred id is already available? >>> Perhaps entries like this: >>> SVN ID Name >>> jacek <reserved> >> But given that there are literally hundreds of reserved ids, it is not practical to list them. But given that the requested id does not have any embedded "_" or "-" we should try to make it easier for the submitter to figure out that the id is simply reserved. I'll propose a patch to www/secretary/workbench/templates/icla-invalid-id.erb that may clarify that the id is reserved. Craig > On Jul 7, 2022, at 12:00, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Jul 7, 2022, at 07:18, sebb <seb...@gmail.com <mailto:seb...@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> >> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 at 14:24, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com >> <mailto:apache....@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 7, 2022, at 06:21, sebb <seb...@gmail.com <mailto:seb...@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 at 14:11, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com >>> <mailto:apache....@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Sebb, >>> >>> I don't think my message was understood. >>> >>> On Jul 7, 2022, at 04:22, sebb <seb...@gmail.com <mailto:seb...@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 at 03:52, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com >>> <mailto:apache....@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm happy to write a patch if you can give me a hint where the code is that >>> looks at reserved-ids so I can write an update to the red box. >>> >>> >>> Note that re-using a reserved ID could mess up code provenance - >>> effectively it means someone can take over someone else's ID. >>> Not exactly identity theft, but with many of the same potential >>> consequences. >>> >>> >>> I understand that a reserved id cannot be used again. That was not what I >>> was asking for. >>> >>> >>> OK >>> >>> >>> Sorry, but I see no valid reason to differentiate why an id is >>> disallowed, so doing research on it is work I don't wish to undertake. >>> >>> >>> Again, I am not asking for the reason that an id is reserved, just the fact >>> that it is. >>> >>> >>> If you wish to know personally whether an entry is in the reserved >>> list or not, just look at the file which I think is a sibling to >>> iclas.txt. >>> >>> >>> All i'm asking for is that if a user requests an id that is reserved, that >>> the secretary tool add a line to the response "The id requested is not >>> available. Please contact the (P)PMC with a different id." and add a red >>> box "The id is not available. Continue?" >>> >>> The secretary tool is supposed to be a help to the secretary/assistant. >>> Having mysterious red boxes with no obvious way for the user to tell what >>> is happening is a bug. >>> >>> >>> Regardless of whether the id is reserved or is currently in use, the >>> user must choose a new id. >>> >>> Why does the user need to know the exact reason? >>> >>> >>> Again, I'm not asking to know the exact reason or to tell the submitter the >>> exact reason. My suggested message (see above) is >>> >>> "The id requested is not available. Please contact the (P)PMC with a >>> different id." >> >> So why do you need to know where the reserved ids are checked? >> >> It's really not clear what you are asking. >> >> How do you currently deal with ICLAs that request an invalid id, for >> example with _ or - in them? >> Can you not use the same approach in this case? > > This is currently a difficult issue for Secretary. There is no automated way > to tell a newly-elected committer that the id they have chosen is not legal. > > So, yes we should use the same approach for all such cases instead of waiting > for the inevitable back-n-forth with the PMC and committer regarding why the > committer and PMC need to take additional action to get the account created. > > Craig >> >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Craig >>> >>> On Jul 6, 2022, at 16:05, sebb <seb...@gmail.com <mailto:seb...@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 at 23:53, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com >>> <mailto:apache....@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the explanation. How do we prevent it in future? >>> >>> >>> How often does it occur? >>> >>> Can we add reserved names to https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html >>> <https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html> which is where we send >>> people to check if their preferred id is already available? >>> Perhaps entries like this: >>> SVN ID Name >>> jacek <reserved> >>> >>> And surely we can add a red box warning for the secretary to understand >>> that this is a reserved name? Warning: the requested id is in the >>> reserved-ids.yml list. >>> (Proceed anyway?) >>> >>> >>> Does it really matter why the id is invalid? >>> >>> Whatever the reason, it cannot be used. >>> >>> Seems like completely unnecessary work, given how infrequent this is. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Craig >>> >>> On Jul 6, 2022, at 14:48, sebb <seb...@gmail.com <mailto:seb...@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Because it is not allowed. >>> >>> See reserved-ids.yml >>> >>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 at 19:14, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com >>> <mailto:apache....@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I filled the form and the committer id should be jacek. But the field is >>> red and it does not try to request the account. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Craig >>> >>> Craig L Russell >>> Assistant Secretary, Apache Software Foundation >>> c...@apache.org <mailto:c...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo >>> <http://db.apache.org/jdo> >>> >>> >>> Craig L Russell >>> c...@apache.org <mailto:c...@apache.org> >>> >>> >>> Craig L Russell >>> c...@apache.org >>> >>> >>> Craig L Russell >>> c...@apache.org >>> >>> >>> Craig L Russell >>> c...@apache.org > > Craig L Russell > c...@apache.org <mailto:c...@apache.org> Craig L Russell c...@apache.org
