On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Jimmy Tang<jt...@tchpc.tcd.ie> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:07:42PM -0400, Donald Allen wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Donald Chai<donald.c...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Jul 22, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Donald Allen wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Michael<mi...@netspark.org> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Donald Allen wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I realize that these bindings can be changed. But that requires some >> >>>> work (and knowledge of C) on the part of the user. I'm talking about >> >>>> the choice of the defaults. Perhaps the keys modified by alt should >> >>>> instead be modified by ctrl-alt by default? And similarly, alt-shift >> >>>> -> ctrl-alt-shift? I am going to test this idea by modifying my setup. >> >>>> I'll let you know how it works out. >> >>> >> >>> ctrl-alt, alt-shift, ctrl-shift non-english speaking people usually use >> >>> those keys for layout change, win-key is perfect solution, but not all >> >>> keyboards have those. >> >>> there is no default keys to satisfy even majority, i think, so why >> >>> bother, if majority will have to edit those keys anyway. >> >> >> >> I don't buy that argument. Why not pick the set of defaults that >> >> satisfies the largest minority? >> > >> > It *is* the set of defaults that satisfies the majority. >> >> You are responding to something I didn't say. Read again. >> >> I think many >> > people change the setting to Mod2Mask to use the Windows key, but the >> > current default of Mod1Mask will work out of the box for anyone who doesn't >> > have a Windows/Apple/diamond key. >> >> That's true. But it also conflicts with a widely-available UI >> convention, alt-based keyboard accelerators. And there are other >> possible defaults that use only ctrl and alt that don't exhibit this >> conflict. >> > > at the risk of being patronising, why not just buy a cheap keyboard for > 10euro/usd or whatever? surely it can not be that difficult to find an > old and cheap keyboard for your machine which does not have the extra > key on your current keyboard?
Presumably you meant "does" above, instead of "does not"? You need to check your keyboard :-) Kidding aside, I'm a fast typist, spend a lot of time at the computer and I care a lot about the feel of my keyboard. I have never found anything that was as satisfactory (and I've tried) as IBM's classic keyboards, of which I have two. They don't have the Windows key, so I have to deal with this problem with the pair of ctrl and alt keys. I have made a change, described in a previous message, that works well for me. /Don > >> > >> > If the only modifier keys on your keyboard are CTRL and ALT, I suggest >> > mapping one ALT key to Mod1 and the other to Mod2. I've noticed that I >> > rarely use the modifier keys on the right-hand side anyway... >> >> Good idea. >> >> > >> > >> > > -- > Jimmy Tang > Trinity Centre for High Performance Computing, > Lloyd Building, Trinity College Dublin, Dublin 2, Ireland. > http://www.tchpc.tcd.ie/ | http://www.tchpc.tcd.ie/~jtang >
