Hi Dave and Chris / Joshua, I appreciated the details that Dave brought that. The suggestions are constructive. Our team has addressed those issues.
I will also consult the usage of the trademark with the trademarks team. In regards to the other questions, I am happy to answer them if they are not clear. Thanks, Sijie On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 3:34 PM Chris Latimer <ch...@chrislatimer.com> wrote: > Hi Sijie, > > I only see one of two possible explanations for your latest responses in > this thread. > > Either you legitimately don't see how SN's marketing is tantamount to > influence pedaling and how it's at odds with The Apache Way. That would be > deeply concerning given that the problem is immediately evident to every > non-SN person who has commented on the subject. As a PMC member the > community counts on you to uphold Apache brand guidelines and policies and > you would certainly be failing in your duties if you are genuinely unable > to understand why there is a problem here. > > The other explanation is that you understand perfectly well what the > problem is, but refuse to acknowledge it and refuse to take action to fix > the situation. This is even more concerning since it suggests that you are > willing to abuse your position on the PMC to advance your own business > interests at the expense of the community. Even worse, you're willing to > misrepresent and deceive the community with disingenuous explanations in > order to do so. > > Frankly, either of these explanations call into question your fitness to > carry out your duties as a PMC member for this project and to represent the > Apache Pulsar community in your current capacity. > > Chris > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:44 PM Joshua Eric <joshuae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > That is an additional problem, that a PMC member doesn’t see an issue > with > > an SN employee promoting a new SN hire. > > > > At least half a dozen people join the community daily. Why aren’t we > > celebrating all of them? No offense, but why is Dave special? > > > > Chris, couldn’t have said it better myself. > > > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 1:00 PM Sijie Guo <guosi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I don't understand what is the problem with that email title. > > > > > > I thought that's Yu invited a co-worker to participate in the Pulsar > > > community. There is no announcement. But I will let Yu clarify here. > > > > > > - Sijie > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:43 PM Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 10, 2021, at 11:10 AM, Sijie Guo <guosi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically > > > > announce > > > > > new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires. > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean by "announce new community members"? > > > > > > > > The email with the subject: "Welcome Dave Duggins to Pulsar > community!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Sijie > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:02 AM Joshua Eric <joshuae...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> I agree with Dave. > > > > >> > > > > >> I also think it is a misuse of the developer list to specifically > > > > announce > > > > >> new community members that just so happen to be recent SN hires. > > > > >> > > > > >> On Dec 9, 2021 at 3:24:29 PM, Sijie Guo <guosi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> Dave - I don't think SN presents the community. We just shared > out > > > > >> insights > > > > >>> on community progress. Also, if you looked into our past blog > > posts, > > > we > > > > >>> have been pointing people to the Pulsar website and Slack > channel. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> - Sijie > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:13 PM Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> OK. I see the new name. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> My concern is about SN posting blogs that are about community > news > > > > >> without > > > > >>> > > > > >>> telling readers where the whole Pulsar community can be found. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 6:18 AM, Dianjin Wang < > djw...@streamnative.io > > > > >> .INVALID > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> I want to sync the blog status, the update has been done. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> Best, > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> Dianjin Wang > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:34 PM Sijie Guo <guosi...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> Hi Dave, > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> Will follow up tomorrow morning (Pacific Time). > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> - Sijie > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:35 PM Dave Fisher < > > wave4d...@comcast.net> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> Hi Sijie, > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> Thanks for handling this issue. I’ll check in my morning. > There > > > was > > > > a > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> reference on the Community Newsletter as well. Please check > that > > > > too. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> Best Regards, > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> Dave > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Sijie Guo <guosi...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> Dave, > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> I think that is a mistake. We already caught it. Dianjin is > > > fixing > > > > >> it. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> - Sijie > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Fisher < > w...@apache.org> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> This is great news! > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> However the ending of the blog post [1] does not follow the > > > Apache > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Way > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> This bullet point is misleading and serves to split the > > > community. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> • Join the 2022 Pulsar Ambassador Program and work directly > > > with > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> Pulsar > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> PMCs and top contributors to co-host events, promote new > > project > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> updates, > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> and build the Pulsar community in your city. Contact Us: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> ambassa...@streamnative.io > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> (1) This mailing list (dev@pulsar.apache.org) is the one > and > > > only > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> place > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> to work directly with the whole of the Apache Pulsar > > community. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> (2) If you engage in this unofficial, vendor-specific > > > “Ambassador” > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> program > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> you are not growing the whole and miss connecting with most > of > > > the > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> true > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> Apache Pulsar community. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> Please rewrite or remove this divisive bullet point. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> Here is a blog post about how Apache is supposed to work. > [2] > > > And > > > > >>> > > > > >>> more > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> about the Apache Way [3] > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> FYI - PMCs is plural for PMC. Apache Pulsar is one of 200+ > > > Apache > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> PMCs. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> PMC’s have members who are individuals. Here are definitions > > of > > > > >> roles > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> [4]. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> The community consists of people who are in all of these > > roles. > > > A > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> project > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> is supposed to be managed as described here. [5] > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> All The Best, > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> Dave > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> [1] > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > https://streamnative.io/blog/community/2021-12-07-pulsar-hits-10000-github-stars-milestone/ > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> [2] > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >> > > > > https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-way-to-sustainable > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> [3] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> [4] > https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> [5] > > > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Yu <li...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Pulsar enthusiasts, > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Our community has been growing ever-faster since it became > a > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> top-level > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> project of the ASF in 2018. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Recently, Pulsar hits 10, 000 Github stars milestone! We > > would > > > > >> like > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> to > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> thank every stargazer for joining us on the journey. More > > > > >>> > > > > >>> importantly, > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> thank you to every Pulsar user, contributor, and committer > for > > > > >> making > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> this > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> happen! > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Here is a glance at the vibrancy of the Pulsar community: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> For more details about Pulsar's community growth, recent > > > updates, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> and > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> future plans, see here. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Anonymitaet > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
