Hi Matteo, You will remember that I brought up the subcommittee idea in private yesterday, and followed up today [before the email you sent and quoted here] with an intention to start this public thread.
Meanwhile, Aaron has not been hiding the groundwork he is laying for meetups, including collaborating with your colleagues Tim Spann and Dianjin Wang at StreamNative. I’m sure you can understand my desire to bring any outstanding issues around vendor neutrality to the attention of the PMC in private before bringing this to the table. I apologize for any confusion caused by this delay. I hope that clears things up. On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 2:36 PM Matteo Merli <mme...@apache.org> wrote: > Since this proposal comes as a reaction to a discussion that was > already happening on the private@ PMC mailing list, I want to add the > context. > > This was my original comment, where I was pointing out the > inappropriateness of the Meetup group namings. > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:34 PM Matteo Merli <mme...@apache.org> wrote: > ======================================================== > I just happen to find out that it has been created a "Meetup Pro > Account", called "Apache-Pulsar". This organization is called "Apache > Pulsar Community" and there 3 newly created meetups that are all being > "Organized by Apache Pulsar Community". > > https://www.meetup.com/pro/apache-pulsar/ > > Even though this event hasn't yet reached the attendance of 200 > people, where a formal approval by PMC and ASF trademark is required, > I think this is intentionally misleading the people about its nature. > > It fails to convey that: > * This is not sanctioned by the PMC. Actually, no one from the PMC > was involved. > * This is organized by a specific vendor, whose name is not mentioned > in the page. > * This is not organized by the "Apache Pulsar Community" > ======================================================== > > Additionally, also as discussed in the private list, all contributors > in Apache are contributing as individuals, and there is no "vendor" > representation role. For that, I don't think having sub-committees > with representatives of vendors to drive project activity under the > ASF umbrella is a good idea (or something that the ASF would be ok > with). > > Finally, I find it a bit preposterous to now make it a proposal to the > community, only after the above points were raised. > > Matteo > > > -- > Matteo Merli > <mme...@apache.org> > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 12:11 PM Jonathan Ellis <jbel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Meetups are an important part of community building and knowledge sharing > > for open source projects like Apache Pulsar. At the same time, the work > of > > recruiting speakers and organizing sponsors [1] is both time consuming > and > > not core to project governance. > > > > I propose that the PMC designate a small community communications > > subcommittee (with representatives from multiple vendors as well as > > unaffiliated participants) to organize monthly community meetups. This > > makeup will help guarantee vendor neutrality moving forward. > > > > In the meantime, my colleague Aaron Williams has created an umbrella > group > > [2] at Meetup to facilitate coordination there. We are ready to turn > this > > over to the Apache Pulsar PMC. > > > > [1] we can expect that sponsors to pay for food and drink will be > relevant > > again, hopefully soon! > > [2] https://www.meetup.com/pro/apache-pulsar/ >
