> -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 6:06 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Policy to deal with old web content - Archiving > pages? (was: Old build Documentation)
> I am aware. It is not about a generic archive rampage. I have more in > mind to discuss a process first, then start page by page. OK > And I have put 3 pages on the line for start. I just want to > hint that > there are more, we might want to archive. But we should discuss those > pages each, +1 I think we need a list/table of all pages then so we can vote on individual pages. We could set up a table here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Migrations I will create a draft in the next few days. Is that okay? > be voted, because it can't be that someone decides randomly. > > Well this Idea did not reach consent. We need another Idea. I am fine > with reaching consent page by page. > > And as you see I already did this with the 3 pages I > mentioned earlier. I have to read up first, at the moment I have not read what you are talking about here. > >> There is no rush, > > yes, that is how it is. Care is far more important than speed > > > >> But to forget stuff is important or we run all the time > with loads of > >> old baggage around. > > -1 > > It is not your past, but that of other people who have long > worked here with diligence where others OO not yet even knew! > > I have never said that. If it were mine, I would not have started a > discussion about it. I would have acted. Instead I start a > discussion to > achieve consent. > > How we should deal with our heritage? And just in case any > one assumes I > have made my mind up: No I have not. And your opinion is of > course also > > welcome. But you sound very reserved. I would like to see if > you think > about it how we could process this correctly so it works for all. Not > taking in account the workload or the time it needs. > > Just think on the right things, that we need to do. Well, the right thing to do (and I said this a long time ago) would be to archive the old pages completely. (You could also make the old pages static). The new web pages we could, in this case, create completely free, so both partly use old content and update or create completely new content. What is the decisive advantage: ------------------------------- There would be no need for a discussion about what to archive, because we archive everything and no one would have to worry about things disappearing that they consider important. > However there are more ways to archive this, > then dumping a state X into an Archive. We do not need to > preserve every > commit online. > > Our code repository does also not contain the complete commit history. my personal opinion is very simple: for me it would be enough to archive a static copy of the current state of the web pages, a history is not needed (in my opinion). May I ask: has anyone specifically asked for more? Has asked for a history? If not, let's put it to the vote by asking: Does an archive of old web pages need a history or is the last actual state sufficient? (Note: at the places where pages are empty for technical reasons, the last actual state is the filled page, i.e. practically: if someone takes the trouble to reconstruct the content, he may do so). > I heard so many stories by now, and none is documented anywhere. I do > not think keeping the pages as is is telling anyone the > history on this > project. and I hear so much self-praise from the PMC ... 'and a lot is not documented', kept secret from the community, not allowed to be discussed publicly > This is by the way I suggested "outsiders" that focus on preserving > history. Maybe I am a bit inspired by my own comparison that > we are not > a museum, What I see is that today there are people in the PMC who have not done nearly as much for OpenOffice as others who are not in the PMC. What I see is that there is a tendency among some to value AOO more than OOo and to think that work for OOo should not be valued by us. This is not fair, and it does not motivate anyone, because work done is not rewarded fairly, but its publicly visible appreciation is dependent on the opinion of privileged individuals. greetings, Jörg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
