So the practice is much saner than the theory and nobody discarded
Larry's -1 saying it was not coming from a PMC member. Any correctly
justified -1 will of course be treated in the same way, regardless of
who casts it.
I'm aware of that. That is exactly why I applauded AOO's PMC members
attitude
just reading the ASF rules discouraged me to become a committer
(I was invited in the past) and still does
I did a presentation at ApacheCon a few years ago, called "Bending the
Rules: Community over Code over Policy", explaining that policy should
never come first and presenting some examples where we had to, say,
"interpret" a dumb policy to do the right thing that would not hamper
the community. It's still buried at
https://community.apache.org/speakers/slides.html and that is still my
point of view. But also something that concretely happens in OpenOffice.
Actually I had already read your presentation. As I mentioned in a
previous email I believe the community currently working on AOO is
healthier and wiser than in the Oracle period. I'm just not sure about
the "Apache way"... Seems like a very strict organization which is does
not have the right mindset for a software that should IMO be for the
benefit of the users (not for developers to have fun ;) )
Agreed. That is why the "*and all others are either discouraged from
voting (to keep the noise down)*" is particularly unnecessary (if not
offensive).
I trust Dave will get that unfortunate wording amended in
https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html - but again, that is
about technical voting (on a code commit) and not release voting. In
this sense, the sentence is a bit easier to justify (i.e., if you are
expressing an opinion on a controversial code commit you are supposed
to have familiarity with the code).
That was just an example... Actually the wording in the Release voting
is even worse. What is all the SHOUTING for?
I'm glad all these rules are there to protect all PMC members with an
"insurance and a legal shield"!
And I'm glad you guys volunteered to be a PMC because this is the
opposite of having fun ;)
Best regards,
Pedro
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