On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 15:23:22 -0700 > "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > > > I suspect the Roman alphabet, conventional-font space-/indent-sizing is > inapplicable for some Asian languages. (I hope the Asian setting is > specifically for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) or we could be having > problems with some very complex language scripts as well. > > > > Rory, I don't believe "automatic" is on by default, so someone must be > defining styles this way, you think? > > You are right, "Automatic" first line indent is not on by default. The > default condition is that first line indent is selected as zero (i.e. no > indent), as are the indents before and after every line of the paragraph; I > think this is reasonable behavour, If "Automatic" is checked, then the 1 > em indent is applied i.e., an indent of the type size. The Help file says > "Automatically indents a paragraph according to the font size and the line > spacing. The setting in the First Line box is ignored." > I'm not really sure this auto indent is 1 em. This is really the heart of my question. What ist the calculation for this? OK, I will investigate further. Thank you for your response. > > The current fashion in much in-house writing is not to indent, instead > marking paragraphs by a line of white space. From a conservationist's > point of view this uses more paper - I leave aside any question of > aesthetics or ease of reading. > > I cannot answer for what happens when using R to L type or what (if any) > is the typesetting "norm" for such languages. I'll root around later today > to see if I can come up with anything, but I'm going offline shortly to do > Saturday things. > > Rory > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] > > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 14:20 > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > > Subject: Re: help needed on ODF standard for "auto" indent for paragraphs > > > > On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 13:57:59 -0700 > > Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > This is in regard to issue > > > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126476 > > > > > > I can't easily locate what the ODF 1.2 standard is on calculation for a > > > first line auto indent for a paragraph. Well I found this -- > > > http://officeopenxml.com/WPindentation.php > > > > > > but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. :/ > > > > > > In any case, if the standard is consistent regardless of font, it seems > > > our calcs may be incorrect for some Asian fonts (maybe encoding factors > > > are not correctly taken into account) and that is the reason the patch > > > was submitted for this issue. It would be nice if this calculation did > > > happen correctly so users would not have to manually adjust the indent > > > for paragraph first line. > > > > > > > Kay, > > > > Merely for information, the printing standard I grew up with is that the > usual indent for a paragraph in body type is one em, that is on 12 pt type, > 12 pts, 18 pt type, 18 pts etc. I believe this is the convention followed > in OO's Paragraph style definition on the Indents and Spacing tab, when > "Automatic" is checked for first line indentation. > > > > If you need references for the one em indent I can provide them. > > > > Rory > > > > > > -- > > Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > > > > -- > Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK “The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.” --Lao Tzu
