On 5/25/14, Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> wrote: > On 05/05/2014 Jörg Schmidt wrote: >> I respect in the presence the existing decisions of the Community > > Rescuing this pre-outage discussion too... Note that in most cases these > are not decisions, just what happens to be active now. And in any case > we can revise it. > >> I think we need another real local communities as part of the >> international >> community. > > OK, so you mean: not only mailing list (that are easy to setup, for > example a mailing list in German dedicated to events), but also ways to > build a community. Here there's almost nothing we can do, say, > "top-bottom"; this must grow from local events.
End users are usually to too much into participating in mailing lists, they are more used to a social media type setup which is more related with web-forums and chat to interact with other users. Building a community do need those resources as well as other programs such as the ones ran with other communities like Mozilla or Canonical's local groups. Marketing usually works as a way to coordinate activities with these local groups for capaigns like release parties and party packages. All this represent costs to the project and also a lot of dedicated work. Not just from the organization but also community members that are available to participate on these events. Feature speakers, event driven organizations like hackatons, bug hunts and barcamps. > >> in not a few cases, we have to decide whether we approve of local >> activities, even >> if they are not coordinated internationally, or whether we do without it. > > Local activities do not need coordination or approval. When I speak (in > Italian) about OpenOffice at some nearby event, I don't ask for approval > on the project lists and I simply clarify, at the event, that I'm not > officially speaking on behalf of the project. The same holds for you and > anyone else. We surely doesn't want to control communication at this level. > >> A few weeks ago we had on the German mailing list, a discussion in which, >> for >> example, Jürgen meant a FAQ website must always also primarily in the >> project >> language (English) exist. > > This would be a developer's dream but won't work for us. See > http://www.openoffice.org/ > http://www.openoffice.org/da/ > http://www.openoffice.org/fr/ > http://www.openoffice.org/it/ > > They evolved with a totally different structure. This looks very bad and > must be fixed. The most reasonable way to me seems that we will have a > "common" part (English original, replicate for other languages; this > includes the layout) and a "specific" part where materials in native > language will be shown, specific to each language (documentation in > native language, announces about "local" events... OK there's a mixup > between languages and countries but you get the idea). > >> Another example is that we do not have a German-language forum, and >> currently no >> people who want to do it. There are, however, for more than 10 years, the >> outstanding German Forum http://de.openoffice.info. >> Would not it be pragmatically useful if we the users completely equal >> recommend >> this Forum? > > Nothing prevents you from linking to a third party forum, especially if > we don't have > an official resource. (Maybe we'll want to check trademarks usage there, > but this is another issue). > >> I myself volunteer worked in the German OOo-community more than 7 years (I >> mean >> OpenOffice_.org_ in this case) and I know quite accurately the former >> costs for >> marketing in Germany, those were _one year_ significantly above 10,000.00 >> Euros > > We don't have that budget available now. We do have a budget for > OpenOffice events, but it is a one-time budget from which I expect we > may spend a few thousands Euros/dollars per year. But in the next weeks Usually on my experience travel expenses were around 2-3k dls per user a year since usually the distance were much longer in South/North america. Important events such as Latinoware, FISL, CNSL and CampusParty involved a lot of miles and logistic. Some with a more user-centric approach which for our porpouses is what we want to get at. LibreOffice Brazil make huge investments in the marketing of the brand acros Brazil which also result in a large userbase and eventually recruitment of development. AOO on the other side is still known (OpenOffice.org former self) but largely ignore on the current status of the project. > we will probably see changes about targeted donations (now not used at > Apache): this may allow to start dedicated fundraising campaigns if we > find it useful to do so. > > Regards, > Andrea. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
