On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:02 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > On 6 October 2013 19:30, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.m...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> 2013/10/6 Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:09 AM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: >> > > On 6 October 2013 01:25, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.m...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > >> 2013/10/2 janI <j...@apache.org> >> > >> >> > >> > On 2 October 2013 22:18, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.m...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > New forum users with registration problems do not have an easy way >> > to >> > >> > > communicate their problems to the board. In the past there was an >> > email >> > >> > > address that sent an automated message to a particular forum >> thread >> > on >> > >> > the >> > >> > > private forum area. This system is not working since the move to >> > >> Apache. >> > >> > > Until the automated reply is re-activated, a simple mail box for >> > each >> > >> NL >> > >> > > forum, accessible to forum admins and moderators will be more than >> > >> > enough, >> > >> > > something like forum-admin-<locale>@aoo. >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > the automated message looks to be a simple configuration in php2bb, >> at >> > >> > least as far as I can see. This could be a good challenge for new >> > admins >> > >> > (working in line with the proposal dave works on). >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Thanks, Ian, >> > >> >> > > np (its Jan) >> > > >> > >> >> > >> But even if simple, we need first an email address for each forum so >> > users >> > >> can send a message. If there is an automated response then better, but >> > >> right now there is no way for a new user to "call for help". >> > >> >> > > >> > > I can understand that, and agree its a good idea. I simply wanted to >> make >> > > you aware that you might need a appl. admin to change the >> configuration. >> > > The admin situation is up for discussion (headed by another pmc >> member), >> > > and have been discussed quite a lot, but no decision has been made. The >> > way >> > > I worked and suggested to work in future seems to be too restrictive >> for >> > > some people, as a consequence the applications on our servers are >> > currently >> > > not being maintained, apart for security. >> > > >> > > As we both know, there is work in progress to start a admin ML, which >> > would >> > > fit this purpose very well (headed by another pmc member), however >> after >> > > the initial discussion, is seems nothing happens (at least no jira has >> > been >> > > created). I would not recommend a ML for each forum, the overhead >> > > (moderators etc) are too big, instead have the mailer put the forum >> name >> > in >> > > the header. >> > > >> > >> > So is there a reason why the admin mailing list could not be used for >> > this? >> >> >> People here is quite used to mailing list, but most users don't. In fact, I >> know many people that will never send an email to a mailing list, specially >> if public: lot of people do not want to expose their email addresses on >> public lists. >> >> >> >> > I assume the traffic level would be low enough that it would >> > not be necessary to have N mailing lists for N forums. So using a >> > single ML point of contact for admin questions could make sense here. >> > >> > The other alternative is an email alias. So no mailing list but just >> > forwarding of emails to a group. >> > >> >> That makes sense. We can open somewhere a free account for each NL forum >> and then set an aoo alias to it. >> > > I think I have lost something. > > If the users mail from inside the forum, they can do so through the php2bb > software with an aoo mail address (e.g. ooofo...@apache.org) to a specific > ML (subject would be: forum name and user name). > > If they mail from their own mail account, they will always end up in one or > more mailing lists (think of your own inbox). We can have the admin ML (as > rob mentioned in another thread) private so only the admins can read it. > > So I dont see the need for free accounts somewhere, what did I > misunderstand ? >
Mailing list versus alias: - Do we need an archive for any important reason (record of past actions, legal reasons, etc.?) - Is it something that requires transparency? - Is it something that Infra and Apache Members ought to have access to? Any of these things are arguments for a ML rather than an alias. Public versus private: - personal confidential - security related - pre-announce press related These things are legimately private. But a user not wanting to have their mailing list be public is not a good enough reason to have a private list. -Rob > rgds > jan I > > >> >> Regards, >> Ricardo >> >> >> >> > >> > > Sadly enough we have many good initatives like it, that are thoroughly >> > > discussed and then left to a slow death when it comes to the actual >> work. >> > > >> > >> > Sorry about that. We had that little thing called a release that >> > distracted me for a little while. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > -Rob >> > >> > > Let me know if I can of further help. >> > > >> > > rgds >> > > jan I. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> The only alternative forums have now (and as a matter of fact, it is >> > being >> > >> considered) is to open a mail box on a free mail server and to share >> the >> > >> log-in information between moderators and admins, promoting that >> > address on >> > >> the forum itself. But that's a really suboptimal "solution": writing >> to >> > a >> > >> yahoo or gmail address to communicate to the "official community forum >> > of >> > >> Apache OpenOffice project" will not be right, I think: something more >> > >> "official" will be far better. >> > >> >> > >> Regards, >> > >> Ricardo >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > rgds >> > >> > jan i. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Thoughts? >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Regards, >> > >> > > Ricardo >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
